bradleybadly wrote:Well said, greekdog.
(last post on that page) Though I'm actually surprised to hear you say all that when you so easily threw the race card against your opposition when discussing illegal immigration. That being said, it's ridiculous to paint this broad brush of the tea party as racist when people like Allen West are invited to speak at their events. Tim Scott would be another guy right off the top of my head. So I guess West & Scott are being racist against themselves? Oh I know, they're just "props" and part of a conspiracy to get us to deflect attention away from all the racism.
Also, the fact that the tea party people are also pissed off at the Republicans and not just the Democrats is hardly ever mentioned. I mean, am I the only one that sees these polls which say that people who are pissed off at Obama hate Republicans even worse, and that people who are going to vote the Democrats out of office in November are doing so more as a vote against Nancy Pelosi than a love affair with John Boehner?
Well, any reasonable person understands there is no way all people in a group such as this would be racist. No doubt the few ruin it for the many. However, by defending those who clearly are racist, it has ruined the entire image of the group.
If more attention has been given to the tea parties hatred of Obama, than republicans, it is probably because they have given more attention to that fact. Bush was in office for 8 years. He turned a surplus into a deficit. He gave tax cuts to 3% of our population, and made the remaining 97% foot the bill for it. Now, Obama has taken office, in the chaos of which he had no real hand in making, and instead of trying to help those 3% at the top, is actively trying to help those affected by those previous taxation policies.
I myself actually, disagree with some of the policies, and I disagree with them for the same reasons as I disagreed with Bushes.
Taxation should be goal oriented. The goal should be to make the country better for most of its population, without unfairly punishing any one part of it. Further, people must have an environment of opportunity to improve, or human nature itself will stagnate people in those environments, necessarily.
I myself, see no real reason why there should be any kind of economic depression whatsoever. The world has all the same needs, all the same wants, and all the same people as it did years ago, +/- of course. The only difference now however, is where the money is. Its not that the money and resources arent there.
There are plenty of people who want to work. They worked right up until there was no more work to do, for their entire lives. They paid their taxes, and unemployment insurance for their entire lives, hoping never to need the protection they were paying for. There are no doubt some that dont want to work, but most do, even if they temporarily get discouraged by losing their jobs.
We have enough need. We have plenty that want food, products, and services in the world. All people need and want things. They just cant find a way to provide them. Why? Because the resources to allow them to provide such things are all at the top of the ladder. They do not trickle down. Its an insane theory. The more you give one person, the more they will keep for themselves, and the less will trickle down. The more they have, the less they need, the less they spend.
If you give $100 to someone who has nothing, that $100 gets spent, and likely to the people around him.
If you give $100 to someone who has enough, it will probably get spent.
If you give $100 to someone who has an over abundance, its very likely it will not get spent.
If you give $100 to someone who has everything, its near impossible to think it will get spent.
If you then give $100 to 100 people it all gets spent, and likely on people around him, who have near nothing as well.
If you instead give $100000 to someone who does not really need it, or need anything it can buy, it may get spent, but it is much less likely that it will be. That 100000 is then out of the system, or at least more of it is.
In this way, the resources get skimmed, there is less to go around, and at the lower end of the spectrum things dry up, which is exactly what has happened.
Capitalism cannot based on trickle down policies. Its quite simply counter-intuitive to think it is. It is a trickle up economy. The key to any policies, is to not stifle investment and spending or growth at the top, but also, at the same time, not allow all of the resources to be spent on their needs, which really is what happens with our tax dollars.
At the same time, we cannot simply give out money to people who could otherwise make it for themselves. Many people have drive enough to work for what they want, but basic human tendency will be to work a little less, if they can find an easier way to get the same things. It is at once the reason for our success, and at the same time, what sometimes leads to our failure.
Again, the point is, there is no need for a depression. Its all perception. Nothing has really changed fundamentally. We have plenty of people willing to work. Plenty of people who need things. Plenty of people who want things. We simply need the opportunities and the investment of resources which help foster those environments.
Unfortunately, the tea party, which no doubt includes many members that understand this, is overshadowed by the many, perhaps more outspoken one, that really have become afraid, and angry, and are lashing out at the person who is in office right now, and against those, who ironically, have already suffered from the same exact policies, they themselves are fundamentally against. And unfortunately, it is this divide and fighting among the two groups, who should really be united, against the real group that has enabled this to happen. Also unfortunately, it does not seem as though it will end any time soon, unless of course, we all lose even more, and the reality is just a little more obvious to all of us.