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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:48 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
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b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


I don't think Marxist means what you think it means.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:07 am

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ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


I don't think Marxist means what you think it means.


I would love for you to give me your definition of Marxist in 150 words or less. Perhaps I will learn something from you.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Iliad on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:33 am

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Baron Von PWN wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


I don't think Marxist means what you think it means.


I would love for you to give me your definition of Marxist in 150 words or less. Perhaps I will learn something from you.

Or perhaps, stay with me here, since you threw the term around and made the accusation you should write your definition of Marxism and why Woodruff and Obama are Marxist. It's called supporting your statements. You may want to do that once in a while. Or once.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby b.k. barunt on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:41 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
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b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


Which of course has nothing whatsofuckingever to do with what we were talking about. Do you even read the posts you're replying to? Or do you just scamper around the forum dropping irrelevant turdlets like some dysfunctional rodent?


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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:42 am

^^^^^
I am not the one that made the claim that I did not know what Marxism is. As it is, Marxism is a philosophy that can be expounded upon and since he brought it up, I have asked for him to give me his view of Marxism. He is also free to back-up his claim that I do not understand what Marxism is. Please do not jump into conversations if you are going to be utterly contemptuous about things. I asked him for a legitimate response. I was not asking for your usual snide trollish commentary.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:47 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
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b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


So this what comes to mind when I read this:

Let's say one chooses the "Libertarian" party, and at the local level (municipal or governor or senator), one votes accordingly so. Let's say many people do the same.

what this does is force the Republicans and Democrats to look at this region and say, "Dear God, those Libertarian-orientated guys sure are getting a lot of poll. Granted they're not winning seats, but if we could shift our views accordingly, then we could pick up some more votes."

And thus, their offerings of legislators, and perhaps eventually president, shifts to the up-and-coming choice.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:51 am

b.k. barunt wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


Which of course has nothing whatsofuckingever to do with what we were talking about. Do you even read the posts you're replying to? Or do you just scamper around the forum dropping irrelevant turdlets like some dysfunctional rodent?


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1. Subject: Barrack Obama as a one term president
2. You state that Obama brings no value and you should not have voted.
3. Woody says you would have thrown away the vote
4. I implied that the vote was not thrown away if he/she did not want a Marxist in office.

It followed the natural progression of the conversation and it relates in a roundabout way to whether or not Obama will be a one term president. And for the umpteenth time you have insulted me and made a scurrilous accusation. This is your final warning. I will foe you if you can't act appropriately. Seriously - grow up.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:56 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


I don't think Marxist means what you think it means.


I would love for you to give me your definition of Marxist in 150 words or less. Perhaps I will learn something from you.


Sure! Marxism: A political ideology advocating; common ownership of land and capital, the abolition of private property and the destruction of bourgeois and Capitalist classes through violent revolution if necessary.

Marxist : Someone or something which follows the aims of Marxism.

I hope you learned something!
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:10 am

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Sure! Marxism: A political ideology advocating; common ownership of land and capital, the abolition of private property and the destruction of bourgeois and Capitalist classes through violent revolution if necessary.

Marxist : Someone or something which follows the aims of Marxism.

I hope you learned something!


Thank you for the definition. I don't know if it was anything new but it was a nice refresher. So are you saying that Obama is not a true Marxist?

He certainly has increased government ownership of business/assets. He has engaged in class warfare. He has had mentors that believe in hardcore Marxism. He has certainly subverted capitalism in many ways. He may not be the pure Marxist that you personally envision when you think of a Marxist. I personally don't believe there is a pure Marxist at the end of the day though. Che, Lenin, Castro all used Marxism as a means to gain power for themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I know what you are saying. Marxism is a wonderful concept of selflessness, but it completely discounts the human nature element and I don't believe that Marxism in the pure form you speak of will do anything but devolve into Soviet Russia or some other form of chaos. In that sense I think Obama is doing a wonderful job of being a Marxist in the historical sense of the word.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Iliad on Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:15 am

ViperOverLord wrote:^^^^^
I am not the one that made the claim that I did not know what Marxism is. As it is, Marxism is a philosophy that can be expounded upon and since he brought it up, I have asked for him to give me his view of Marxism. He is also free to back-up his claim that I do not understand what Marxism is. Please do not jump into conversations if you are going to be utterly contemptuous about things. I asked him for a legitimate response. I was not asking for your usual snide trollish commentary.

Firstly if you dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as a snidish troll that will only alienate you further. Secondly if you make statements you should be ready to back them up. You asserted that Obama is a Marxist and so is woody. I am asking you to back that assertion up by showing me your definition of Marxism and why Obama and Woodruff fit it. The reason I'm snide is that you always drop assertions like Obama is a Marxist and never try and back them up with actual facts or theory and it's really irritating. Also whenever anyone disagrees with you, like when they ask you to explain your latest assertion, you act condescending, childish and aggressive. Sometimes all at once.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby InkL0sed on Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:18 am

You are basically saying that any leader that "increases the size" of government in order to gain power is a Marxist. Whether or not Obama is trying to do this, let us consider what this means.

This means that every dictator, every totalitarian regime in history, was Marxist.

This list includes well-known communists such as Julius Caesar, Robespierre, Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini, and Pinochet.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

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Baron Von PWN wrote:
Sure! Marxism: A political ideology advocating; common ownership of land and capital, the abolition of private property and the destruction of bourgeois and Capitalist classes through violent revolution if necessary.

Marxist : Someone or something which follows the aims of Marxism.

I hope you learned something!


Thank you for the definition. I don't know if it was anything new but it was a nice refresher. So are you saying that Obama is not a true Marxist?

He certainly has increased government ownership of business/assets. He has engaged in class warfare. He has had mentors that believe in hardcore Marxism. He has certainly subverted capitalism in many ways. He may not be the pure Marxist that you personally envision when you think of a Marxist. I personally don't believe there is a pure Marxist at the end of the day though. Che, Lenin, Castro all used Marxism as a means to gain power for themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I know what you are saying. Marxism is a wonderful concept of selflessness, but it completely discounts the human nature element and I don't believe that Marxism in the pure form you speak of will do anything but devolve into Soviet Russia or some other form of chaos. In that sense I think Obama is doing a wonderful job of being a Marxist in the historical sense of the word.


I disagree Marxism is not a good concept. Obama hasn't proposed anything remotely close to marxist, nor has he even mused about anything remotely marxist. so no Obama is not a Marxist.

He has proposed some things which might be called socialist at a stretch. Marxist? hell no.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Pedronicus on Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:38 am

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ViperOverLord wrote:I've been following politics for a long time.


How long is a long time?


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Why is it none of my business? It's a fairly straightforward question that would help me understand how far back in politics to use examples that you would remember and we could discuss.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:38 am

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Woodruff wrote:Fuck the polls. IF President Obama is really trying to do what he feels is best, then more power to him...that's what he SHOULD be trying to do. We don't need another poll-licking politician in office, lord knows there are enough of them already. As far as "hurting the brand", fuck that shit too...the brand already sucks anyway, so big fucking deal!


Pretty strong opinion for a guy that claims that the national debt will be our ultimate undoing. Obama has added to the debt at a rate 4 times faster than anyone else. I think you give lip service to economic issues and vote for your fellow Marxist leftists.


Ha ha ha, Woody the marxist. ha ha ha, I love it.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:47 am

Did you mean "Martian"?
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Timminz on Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:12 am

There couldn't be a more ironic thread in which to call Obama a Marxist. The article in the OP is referencing him standing up for private property rights. That is the exact opposite of a Marxist action.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby notyou2 on Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:28 am

Timmy stop inviting these types of posters to your threads. They know not of that to which they speak.

It seems their mouths open and thuis stuff spews forth that has nothing to do with your thread.

Now back to OP. Did Canada renounce Obama's citizenship when he became an American? Does anyone know? Do you have proof?

If not, I suggest we bring him back, as a politician that does the right thing as opposed to the popular, "I need votes", thing is a rare breed and should be coveted.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Woodruff on Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:08 am

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b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


You make an awful lot of statements about what I believe that are thoroughly incorrect. How about you save all of us a lot of time and just stop doing that, ok? Fucking nitwit.

That being said, does this mean you believe that someone who doesn't vote must support free market capitalism?

ViperOverLord wrote:I am not the one that made the claim that I did not know what Marxism is.


You didn't need to make the claim, since your post did that for you.

ViperOverLord wrote:As it is, Marxism is a philosophy that can be expounded upon and since he brought it up, I have asked for him to give me his view of Marxism. He is also free to back-up his claim that I do not understand what Marxism is. Please do not jump into conversations if you are going to be utterly contemptuous about things. I asked him for a legitimate response. I was not asking for your usual snide trollish commentary.


This is another excellent example of your posting bullshit, getting called on it, and then trying to backpeddle out of it. Doesn't that ever get old for you?
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Woodruff on Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:15 am

ViperOverLord wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:What has Obama done? I mean of value. I didn't vote for the ass clown but if i would've been forced to take part in such a farce i would've picked him over McCain simply because McCain was such an obvious fuckhead - and yeah, Obama had a better looking wife. He hasn't even repealed the "Patriot Act", and he's made government health care a dirty word. He's a phony that fooled a lot of simpleminded dupes. Those of you who voted for him, enjoy.


You make it sound as though voting for Obama is worse than not having voted at all. I'm afraid I can't agree with that.


Of course you can't. You support Marxist policies instead of free market capitalism.


Which of course has nothing whatsofuckingever to do with what we were talking about. Do you even read the posts you're replying to? Or do you just scamper around the forum dropping irrelevant turdlets like some dysfunctional rodent?


1. Subject: Barrack Obama as a one term president
2. You state that Obama brings no value and you should not have voted.
3. Woody says you would have thrown away the vote


Woody didn't say any damn thing about that, you retard.

ViperOverLord wrote:It followed the natural progression of the conversation and it relates in a roundabout way to whether or not Obama will be a one term president. And for the umpteenth time you have insulted me and made a scurrilous accusation. This is your final warning. I will foe you if you can't act appropriately. Seriously - grow up.


God damn, you just keep throwing irony in our face like it's a compulsive mechanism or something.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby spurgistan on Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:26 pm

Timminz wrote:There couldn't be a more ironic thread in which to call Obama a Marxist. The article in the OP is referencing him standing up for private property rights. That is the exact opposite of a Marxist action.


Why does Karl get all the credit? You know, Zeppo was a seriously underrated Marx brother.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Frigidus on Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:27 pm

Just to clarify, are the people that disagree with ViperOverlord incompetent, Marxist, fascist, anti-freedom, or what? The message seems to be real offbeat.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby notyou2 on Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:33 pm

My take on it is that .....if they don't agree with VOL, they should be shot as they don't deserve to live.

My the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the exact same views on everything. A society of zero tolerance would be a dreadful place, and dare I say, a marxist place.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:45 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:
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Sure! Marxism: A political ideology advocating; common ownership of land and capital, the abolition of private property and the destruction of bourgeois and Capitalist classes through violent revolution if necessary.

Marxist : Someone or something which follows the aims of Marxism.

I hope you learned something!


Thank you for the definition. I don't know if it was anything new but it was a nice refresher. So are you saying that Obama is not a true Marxist?

He certainly has increased government ownership of business/assets. He has engaged in class warfare. He has had mentors that believe in hardcore Marxism. He has certainly subverted capitalism in many ways. He may not be the pure Marxist that you personally envision when you think of a Marxist. I personally don't believe there is a pure Marxist at the end of the day though. Che, Lenin, Castro all used Marxism as a means to gain power for themselves.

Don't get me wrong. I know what you are saying. Marxism is a wonderful concept of selflessness, but it completely discounts the human nature element and I don't believe that Marxism in the pure form you speak of will do anything but devolve into Soviet Russia or some other form of chaos. In that sense I think Obama is doing a wonderful job of being a Marxist in the historical sense of the word.


I disagree Marxism is not a good concept. Obama hasn't proposed anything remotely close to marxist, nor has he even mused about anything remotely marxist. so no Obama is not a Marxist.

He has proposed some things which might be called socialist at a stretch. Marxist? hell no.


Marxism is the basis for socialism. When you say that Obama has not proposed anything resembling Marxism, you are clearly not living in reality.

Marxism is a good concept? To a degree sure. To use Obama's analogy, we are taught to share in Kindergarten. However the basis that it should be enforced even via a violent revolution just allows any nut job that wants power to pretend that he is working for the sake of some higher code. Che Guevara never hesitated to put a bullet in the brain of anyone that was a capitalist.

In the end state ran farms just distribute power to the elite. Don't kid yourself.
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby notyou2 on Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:47 pm

WOW......and you think you're mainstream America?
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Re: Obama, the one-term president

Postby Snorri1234 on Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:24 pm

Iliad wrote:
ViperOverLord wrote:^^^^^
I am not the one that made the claim that I did not know what Marxism is. As it is, Marxism is a philosophy that can be expounded upon and since he brought it up, I have asked for him to give me his view of Marxism. He is also free to back-up his claim that I do not understand what Marxism is. Please do not jump into conversations if you are going to be utterly contemptuous about things. I asked him for a legitimate response. I was not asking for your usual snide trollish commentary.

Firstly if you dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as a snidish troll that will only alienate you further. Secondly if you make statements you should be ready to back them up. You asserted that Obama is a Marxist and so is woody. I am asking you to back that assertion up by showing me your definition of Marxism and why Obama and Woodruff fit it. The reason I'm snide is that you always drop assertions like Obama is a Marxist and never try and back them up with actual facts or theory and it's really irritating. Also whenever anyone disagrees with you, like when they ask you to explain your latest assertion, you act condescending, childish and aggressive. Sometimes all at once.

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