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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:35 am

I did not see AS2, but I did watch AS1 on iTunes and, I hate to say it, the film was a mess, so I'm likely to believe the reviews.

    CONS: I'm somewhat sympathetic - even if I may not totally agree - with Rand's book, but she was a fantastic writer able to weave a story with slowly constructed plotlines that provide convincing context, whereas, the two-hour film only has enough time to to take the thesis from the back cover, knock you over the head with hit and drag you back to its cave. The character development present in the book had all been stripped out in favor of the political treatise leaving a bunch of shallow cartoon characters about which one didn't care at all. In her book, Rand expertly argues for her philosophy by offering rich characters with which you can connect, even if they are of different circumstances.

    That point aside, however, the acting in AS1 was absolutely abysmal. It was like watching a Made-for-TV movie or a soap opera. Honestly, I found myself laughing at some of - what were supposed to have been - the most dramatic moments.

    PROS: great costuming and set design

One can like a book and think the film version was crap. I think this may be why some writers (i.e. J.D. Salinger) refused to let their books be turned into films. After the current hyperbole of the LCD class regaring Ayn Rand has died down again, another generation of college students would have been likely to get into her books, but the film will have the effect of negative promotion. I liked Philip Pullman's The Golden Compass but thank God the box office was bad enough that they'll never make the sequel.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:28 pm

Thanks, sax. You've convinced me not to watch AS1.

For saving me 20-120+ minutes, I debit 200 saxbucks in your saxccount.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:56 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Thanks, sax. You've convinced me not to watch AS1.

For saving me 20-120+ minutes, I debit 200 saxbucks in your saxccount.


Well, AS1 is probably worth it just for the costumes and sets. They were fabulous. Just watch it on mute and invent your own dialog in your head.

Also, another criticism - IIRC, in the book, the identity of John Galt was this slowly building mystery throughout the story that increased with momentum the deeper you got into it. In the film, every 10 minutes, someone would randomly pop-into the screen and say "Oi! Who is John Galt?" It was funny until you realized it wasn't supposed to be parody.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:52 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Thanks, sax. You've convinced me not to watch AS1.

For saving me 20-120+ minutes, I debit 200 saxbucks in your saxccount.


Well, AS1 is probably worth it just for the costumes and sets. They were fabulous. Just watch it on mute and invent your own dialog in your head.

Also, another criticism - IIRC, in the book, the identity of John Galt was this slowly building mystery throughout the story that increased with momentum the deeper you got into it. In the film, every 10 minutes, someone would randomly pop-into the screen and say "Oi! Who is John Galt?" It was funny until you realized it wasn't supposed to be parody.


Based on the latest polling data of BBS, 38% are in favor of watching the movie for the lulz and the fab costumes. 20% say NO, 10% say NOU, and the rest keep going on about opportunity cost.

Margin of error is 2%-10%, and 100% are in favor of taking saxi's lunch money.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby nietzsche on Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:00 pm

I'm just worried Scotty has not been posting.

I do not deal well with abandonment, I'm an orphan. I have enough dealing with Lootifer not posting, even though I only talked to him once, if Scotty doesn't come back I will blame myself and have sex with any woman that asks me.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:46 pm

john9blue wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
john9blue wrote:can't wait for Das Kapital: The Movie to come out and get rave reviews

so just to be clear, you think movie critics aren't biased?


Did this question before, they're biased against crap movies. It's kind of their job to be. Next up, J9B argues Battlefield Earth wasn't crap, the critics were just biased against Scientology.

It was crap.


have you seen it, or are you making this statement just based on faith?


You're doing it wrong J9B. If you want to best Symmetry, you need to play by his rules. His rules are thus:

(1) Google the writer's name.
(2) Find anything that could potentially be scandalous (an article he wrote in 2004 or his political party affiliation).
(3) Post what you find and say that the writer's opinions should be disregarded because of the potentially scandalous thing.
(4) Pat yourself on the back and enrage BBS.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby john9blue on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:07 pm

if symmetry knew anything about ayn rand, he's know that she considers critics of any kind to be leeches and "second-handers" who only criticize and provide nothing useful to society.

big surprise that these same leeches tend to hate her and anything associated with her...
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:13 pm

Interesting position, j9b, but in order to best Symmetry you have to:

(1) Demand that Symmetry must verify your stance via Google.
(2) Ignore what 'burden of proof' means, and maintain #1 for 5 pages.
(3) If you are shown evidence to the contrary, get huffy and continue repeating your stance.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:44 pm

Is there any hope that those of us who don't care about besting Symmetry will ever be relevant again?
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby nietzsche on Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:41 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Is there any hope that those of us who don't care about besting Symmetry will ever be relevant again?


Well, nobody has accepted my invitation to discuss objectivism, in an objective (the common meaning) manner. We could start here.

I know you are into it, I know saxi must know a bit for he has implied it also if he's really a psychiatrist he must know some.. I know Scotty is a fan, I know john9 knows about it also, I read a bit.. what impede us?

Only the fear of being ridiculed for not being the mother fucker most erudite in objectivism in the face of the earth, universe and titan, top 10. And we haven't considered all the critics points: Big deal. I don't care to make a fool of myself, everybody here who has followed my posts knows I make a fool of myself willingly and not willingly every 24 hrs. WHy do you care??
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:27 am

nietzsche wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Is there any hope that those of us who don't care about besting Symmetry will ever be relevant again?


Well, nobody has accepted my invitation to discuss objectivism, in an objective (the common meaning) manner. We could start here.

I know you are into it, I know saxi must know a bit for he has implied it also if he's really a psychiatrist he must know some.. I know Scotty is a fan, I know john9 knows about it also, I read a bit.. what impede us?

Only the fear of being ridiculed for not being the mother fucker most erudite in objectivism in the face of the earth, universe and titan, top 10. And we haven't considered all the critics points: Big deal. I don't care to make a fool of myself, everybody here who has followed my posts knows I make a fool of myself willingly and not willingly every 24 hrs. WHy do you care??

In my case, it was simply lack of time. I know it's a cliche, but there's nothing like a 14-hour workday to discourage one from writing intelligent prose and make him retreat to silly one-liners.

But I will try to write something on Sunday, okay?
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:28 pm

Still have not seen it. Way too busy working 14 hour days

Reardon understands 8-)

I heard it was good though, and the actors in the new one are better than the first movie. Can't wait...
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Symmetry on Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:40 pm

Well this became quite a Randian anti-Sym love in Hippie fest quickly.

Symmetry's proposed Randian solutions:

1) Go on strike, remove yourselves from the board and show the plebs of the world what a message board would look like without you.
2) Join a dating site where you can talk to other fans of Atlas Shrugged.
3) Build a railway, then go on strike.
4) Sit in a dark room, watching Atlas Shrugged Parts 1 and 2 over and over again, while pondering what a free thinker you are.
5) Write some terrible novels, then go on strike.
6) Ponder the multiple ways in which some dude called Symmetry disagrees with you, and come back with more than "he researches the sources" as a point of contention.
7) Consider taking an online circle jerk to a state of offline solo jerk for rational self-interest.
8) Start a company that takes unwanted Live Strong bands and reforges them with a "WWARD?" logo. Then go on strike.
9) Declare Paul Ryan an apostate.
10) Ask for a cut of whatever Scotty is getting from his promo threads plugging this thing.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
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Re: Atlas Shrugged II - Opens This Weekend

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:19 pm

Okay, I still have not seen it, but I have the best excuses! Now that I have a car, I will see it this weekend.

If it's still in theaters? 8-)
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