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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby bedub1 on Tue May 10, 2011 2:47 pm

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bedub1 wrote:Do you believe people are entitled to a certain standard of living, just because they had it at one time?

Like if a husband and wife divorce, is one of them entitled to money from the other to maintain the standard of living that was established during the marriage? (Alimony) What if they were living on credit cards?

If a husband and wife divorce, are the children entitled to massive piles of cash to maintain a standard of living that was established during the marriage? Should there be a limit on it? If you believe they are entitled to maintain the same standard of living, what if parents decide to just "cut their kids off" to avoid them becoming spoiled brats? Should that be illegal?

EDIT: Added (alimony, Childsupport) to title.


The basis for child support is that when you have a child, you are responsible for 18 years (realistically, more like 24 today if they attend college...often more if they go to graduate school). That obgligation does not cease simply because you decide you cannot get along with your spouse. So, yes, your obligation to your children remains regardless of marital status.

I can get into this more later, but the biggest problem is that anything called childsupport is given to the custodial spouse and not counted as their income (in most cases, the reciever is not required to report it). Most fathers don't really object to giving their children money, they object to their ex spouse benefitting and sometimes not contributing even as much as they did prior to marriage.

Also, the court does not take time and energy into account. That is, a father who takes part-time job so that he can watch his kids, might very well be held responsible for the same child support as before... (or that he might have to work overtime to maintain that level of support and also pay for his own rent, etc is not taken into consideration).

It gets particularly asinine when you factor in remarriage. This is more critical in states like PA that are not joint property states. Basically, the one with custody can remarry. The new spouse's income is not considered.. that spouse is not legally obligated to support the step kids. That's sounds reasonable, but it can mean that someone marries a multi millionaire (literally) and the former spouse can have an available wage that is well below the poverty line, but not get a dime credit... even if that other spouse spends more actual time with the kids (but they do't live at that house). Yes, that is an extreme example, but a real one.

Anyway, gotta go do lunch for the kids

I'm not talking about any of this. Obviously you are required to provide food/shelter/schooling etc. I"m talking about above and beyond the basics....to where the child support each month is 100k and each year is in the millions...

Or a wife marries a supper rich guy and they live the extravagant lifestyle...they get divorced, she gets no cash because of pre-nup, but gets alimony of 10million a year because she was accustomed to the lifestyle. If she gets 50k a year that's one thing...if she gets millions that another.

what do you think of these peoples sense of entitlement...that just because they had something in the past...they still deserve it.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Tue May 10, 2011 2:52 pm

uh, no. getting crazy amounts of money because you were accustomed to the lifestyle is wrong.
I think that if they get any alimony at all it should only have to be enough to pay for shelter, food, water.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby keiths31 on Tue May 10, 2011 2:54 pm

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Funny thing that...she made more money than I did and had health benefits at her work. I didn't. You aren't excusing my EX-wife's behaviour, but you do list excuses as to why she may have acted the way she did. She didn't sideline her career. She went back to work as soon as she was able to stand on two feet again. Don't generalize. Sometimes people (male or female) are just jerks...

Except, the reason I separated my response was because I WAS bringing it back to the general. You gave an example, fine, but the thread discussion is about the overall situation.

And.... I am the wife of a divorced guy with kids. So, I do have a clue ;)



I didn't say you didn't have a clue. I am just tired of everything people do having to have a reason built in. Whether is be social or environmental or what ever. Sometimes people just make bad choices because they are bad people.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 10, 2011 4:39 pm

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Woodruff wrote:Also, long-term deadbeat dads should be hunted down and shot. I'm not really kidding either.


Your quote is wrong...should read "deadbeat parents".


Fair enough, I agree completely.

What can I say...I'm old, and not hip enough to get with the times. <smile>

Except, I do believe you are younger than I... ;)


It was just a joke because a few of my cadets call me "the old man" from time to time. And pretty much for the reason I stated. <grin>

I'm not actually particularly old.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 10, 2011 4:43 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Also, long-term deadbeat dads should be hunted down and shot. I'm not really kidding either.


I respect and value Woodruff's opinion. I think people who waste youths' time teaching them baton twirling routines should be hunted down and shot. Of course, unlike Woodruff, I think they should be shot with a taser, for the lulz. Not executed in a back alley or something like he suggets.

for a moment there I thought you had made friends again with woodruff, now it seems like you're out to get him.


pimpdave has transformed into a permatroll. He apparently simply cannot help himself. Fortunately for him, he has the moderators in his hip pocket.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 10, 2011 4:45 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:Honestly, I take the traditional viewpoint when I say when a married couple has a child, the mother should stay home and take of him and the dad should go out and work to support his family.


I am of the opinion that, when possible (and in most cases, this IS possible), ONE of the parents should stay home and take care of the children. I don't particularly think it should be the wife...either is just as good.

shieldgenerator7 wrote:If they divorce (hopefully they won't), the dad should only have to pay child support only if he is able to see the child or has custody of the children.


Unless abuse is part of the reason for the divorce.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 10, 2011 5:02 pm

Woodruff wrote:pimpdave has transformed into a permatroll. He apparently simply cannot help himself. Fortunately for him, he has the moderators in his hip pocket.


Wrong. Maybe your arguments for my being banned are just complete fallacy. I'm not doing anything against the rules. Anything I've written in the last few days has been done by you, Phatscotty, and especially Night Strike. But you and they haven't ever been punished for it. So why is it that you think the mods should show favoritism and punish me where they haven't punished others?

Also, you're the only one calling people names. I am not a permatroll nor am I a cowardly pussy or any of those other awful swear words you called me in your most recent abusive PM (which I won't repeat here since I don't post Private Messages) and it all hurts my feewings!

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Maybe it's time for you to stop crying shit wolf, Woodruff. It's all well and good for you to be acerbic, but the second someone dishes it back, suddenly there's a line that everyone but you has crossed.

To quote a wise Welshman, "Shut up!"
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Woodruff on Tue May 10, 2011 6:52 pm

pimpdave wrote:
Woodruff wrote:pimpdave has transformed into a permatroll. He apparently simply cannot help himself. Fortunately for him, he has the moderators in his hip pocket.


Wrong. Maybe your arguments for my being banned are just complete fallacy. I'm not doing anything against the rules. Anything I've written in the last few days has been done by you, Phatscotty, and especially Night Strike. But you and they haven't ever been punished for it. So why is it that you think the mods should show favoritism and punish me where they haven't punished others?


What leads you to believe that's the case? I know...your buddy moderators told you, right?

pimpdave wrote:Also, you're the only one calling people names. I am not a permatroll nor am I a cowardly pussy or any of those other awful swear words you called me in your most recent abusive PM (which I won't repeat here since I don't post Private Messages) and it all hurts my feewings!


Look fuckhead. Stop the fucking lying. How pathetic is your life, really, that you take enjoyment out of lying about other people? You must be some sort of a doormat in real life.

There we go...I've fallen for your trolling again!
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 10, 2011 6:54 pm

Woodruff wrote:Look fuckhead. Stop the fucking lying. How pathetic is your life, really, that you take enjoyment out of lying about other people? You must be some sort of a doormat in real life.


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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby shieldgenerator7 on Tue May 10, 2011 7:00 pm

PD, ppl R tired of your post content. I don't think you're a bad person, I just think you hate on people too much. Maybe you should stop worrying about the t-par-t death squad and get over it. Have a good day and God bless you.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 10, 2011 7:58 pm

Woodruff wrote:What leads you to believe that's the case? I know...your buddy moderators told you, right?


Oh hey, can't let this one slip by. The mods tell me nothing. Like I said, we're not exactly on speaking terms after the last appletini and crochet party. I'm just speculating and intuiting. You give me a lot of material to work with. But hey, thanks for proving once again that you're a tattle tale! This shows that you have been reporting me since you "came back". HAHA! I'm right!

Please don't send me an angry private message tonight detailing the methods you will employ to murder me. I'm getting kind of numb to that theme of threatening PM at this point. Wait until tomorrow. Sleep on it. Maybe you'll come up with something original tomorrow.

On the other hand, please don't send me any more or post mean comments about me in the forum, because it hurts my feelings. :(
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby Nobunaga on Tue May 10, 2011 8:01 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
bedub1 wrote:Do you believe people are entitled to a certain standard of living, just because they had it at one time?

Like if a husband and wife divorce, is one of them entitled to money from the other to maintain the standard of living that was established during the marriage? (Alimony) What if they were living on credit cards?

If a husband and wife divorce, are the children entitled to massive piles of cash to maintain a standard of living that was established during the marriage? Should there be a limit on it? If you believe they are entitled to maintain the same standard of living, what if parents decide to just "cut their kids off" to avoid them becoming spoiled brats? Should that be illegal?


Not only should it be legal, but it should be illegal to support a child that is older than 18 up to a certain amount. I'm all for working your ass off and making money, but because you worked your ass off shouldn't be a reason for you to spoil your children to the point where they don't have to work at all.


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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 10, 2011 8:55 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

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Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby pimpdave on Tue May 10, 2011 9:23 pm

Woodruff wrote:There we go...I've fallen for your trolling again!


No Woodruff. You aren't the helpless victim! I am! I've fallen for your trolling. You trolled me first! You've been trolling me for months by calling me names openly all over the forum, sending me hateful private messages, and constantly trying to get me banned. Yet you continue to pretend to not understand why I don't like you and don't worship you for your wonderful contribution to the forum (putting others down constantly, flexing your narcissism muscles and creating nothing)!

I'm very deeply hurt as I've demonstrated in photographs. If this post had a sponsor it would be Kleenex. Words hurt Woodruff. And you've called me very mean names and I think you should say you're sorry. Then you should say something nice. But I don't have to say anything nice to you, because you're the one who's trolled me! Praise the Lord!
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby InkL0sed on Wed May 11, 2011 5:40 am

Nobunaga wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
bedub1 wrote:Do you believe people are entitled to a certain standard of living, just because they had it at one time?

Like if a husband and wife divorce, is one of them entitled to money from the other to maintain the standard of living that was established during the marriage? (Alimony) What if they were living on credit cards?

If a husband and wife divorce, are the children entitled to massive piles of cash to maintain a standard of living that was established during the marriage? Should there be a limit on it? If you believe they are entitled to maintain the same standard of living, what if parents decide to just "cut their kids off" to avoid them becoming spoiled brats? Should that be illegal?


Not only should it be legal, but it should be illegal to support a child that is older than 18 up to a certain amount. I'm all for working your ass off and making money, but because you worked your ass off shouldn't be a reason for you to spoil your children to the point where they don't have to work at all.


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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby Nobunaga on Wed May 11, 2011 11:06 pm

pimpdave wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

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Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.


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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed May 11, 2011 11:14 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

...


Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.


... I was just repeating what Player told me many times. Success in life is a roll of the dice, not a damned thing we can do about it.

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Sure, if you're of the mindset that you are powerless to change your environment.

There's a large group of people who think that they have a large influence over their environment. They make their own "luck." Those kind of people tend to succeed with that kind of mentality.

By blaming one's external environment on things like "luck," then those kind of people would tend not to blame themselves. By doing so, then how can they begin to target what's wrong with themselves in order to fix their situation/environment?
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 11, 2011 11:20 pm

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Also, long-term deadbeat dads should be hunted down and shot. I'm not really kidding either.


What if they are deadbeats because they are on drugs? No leniency?

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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 11, 2011 11:24 pm

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Army of GOD wrote: ...it should be illegal to support a child that is older than 18 up to a certain amount. I'm all for working your ass off and making money, but because you worked your ass off shouldn't be a reason for you to spoil your children to the point where they don't have to work at all.

I agree, to a point. However, if a child is going to college, working hard and the parents can afford to help, they should. The cost of tuition to some of the better colleges, in particular, is too high for most students to work their way through. (I realize that cost of college is overrun in some cases, but that is a different topic. Just saying that going to college is not "being lazy" or "spoiling", IF they are working at it).


its also in the parents interest because they are going to need to count on help from their children when they are retired and no longer working, and this is true now more than ever. I hope this next generation is up to the responsibility. Just a comment no reply necesary
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 11, 2011 11:30 pm

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Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

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Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.


how did the family get the money?
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby spurgistan on Wed May 11, 2011 11:32 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
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pimpdave wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

...


Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.


... I was just repeating what Player told me many times. Success in life is a roll of the dice, not a damned thing we can do about it.

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Sure, if you're of the mindset that you are powerless to change your environment.

There's a large group of people who think that they have a large influence over their environment. They make their own "luck." Those kind of people tend to succeed with that kind of mentality.

By blaming one's external environment on things like "luck," then those kind of people would tend not to blame themselves. By doing so, then how can they begin to target what's wrong with themselves in order to fix their situation/environment?


I'm pretty sure Nobu was engaging in some serious tounge-in-cheek hyperbole, there. I'm also positive he's wildly exaggerating what player said, even if he legitimately agrees with her. I personally am all about can-do and positivity, but there's a limit to the impact hard work and intelligence have on economic outcomes. You're always talking about reading, try some Malcolm Gladwell.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 12, 2011 12:17 am

The two reviews summed it up pretty well . =P (the way he writes sounds great though, so I'll check it out if it's at a library)


Yeah, I agree that work ethic and intelligence are effective up to some point, whatever that may be... Attractiveness and emotional intelligence are significant too...

I still have problems with people who extend blame outwards and hardly ever internally examine themselves. They prevent themselves from "getting better at getting better," and that frustrates me.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby Woodruff on Thu May 12, 2011 12:17 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
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Also, long-term deadbeat dads should be hunted down and shot. I'm not really kidding either.


What if they are deadbeats because they are on drugs? No leniency?


When have I ever advocated that drug use is a legitimate reason for abdicating one's responsibilities? Unlike you, I do try at least to be consistent.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living (Alimony, ChildSupport)

Postby keiths31 on Thu May 12, 2011 1:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Also, long-term deadbeat dads should be hunted down and shot. I'm not really kidding either.


What if they are deadbeats because they are on drugs? No leniency?


Nope...no leniency. But they can collect welfare and spend it on drugs.
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Re: Entitlement - Standard of living

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu May 12, 2011 1:18 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
pimpdave wrote:
Nobunaga wrote:... Money has nothing to do with working hard. It's all about luck.

...


Luck is generally defined as what kind of money the family you're born into has.


... I was just repeating what Player told me many times. Success in life is a roll of the dice, not a damned thing we can do about it.

....

I have never said that. I HAVE said that where anybody sits involves both luck and skill.

You don't get to the highest income levels without a good deal of luck. By the same token, you can wind up in the lowest levels just by luck (though you can also get there by doing the absolute wrong things).

Most people fall somewhere in between. We are where we are through a combination of skill and luck.
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