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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:50 pm

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Lootifer wrote:I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?


I don't know what Phatscotty or Night Strike read or listen to.

That being said, these kinds of guys are in it for the money. Rush Limbaugh is trying to make money. Keith Olbermann is trying to make money. Once people realize that, they understand those guys' motivations and it's easier to care only about the facts behind the message rather than the message itself.

So that makes it ok for the messaging to [sometimes] be batshit insane and further develop this demagogy?

I personally don't like what i've learned about him because of his messages, if he was truely a good investigative journalist worthy of an RIP thread then he should have been politically neutral. But he wasn't so he was a dick.


Demagougery only occurs if there are people to make the speaker a demagogue.

He was a good journalist. Just because you don't agree with his message or his tone, does not change that.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:52 pm

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thegreekdog wrote:It's only brainwashing if the listener only listens to one person. People should try not to do that.

I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?

And Tool is awesome.

But of course, it's just PS's use of their symbology that makes me giggle.


Dave Frum is a progressive spin-master. He can also seem to be okay sometimes. I'm also certain he is grooming Megan Mccain. That is all I will say about him.

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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:59 pm

I wonder what Alex Jones is saying?

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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby Lootifer on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:01 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Lootifer wrote:I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?


I don't know what Phatscotty or Night Strike read or listen to.

That being said, these kinds of guys are in it for the money. Rush Limbaugh is trying to make money. Keith Olbermann is trying to make money. Once people realize that, they understand those guys' motivations and it's easier to care only about the facts behind the message rather than the message itself.

So that makes it ok for the messaging to [sometimes] be batshit insane and further develop this demagogy?

I personally don't like what i've learned about him because of his messages, if he was truely a good investigative journalist worthy of an RIP thread then he should have been politically neutral. But he wasn't so he was a dick.


Demagougery only occurs if there are people to make the speaker a demagogue.

He was a good journalist. Just because you don't agree with his message or his tone, does not change that.

But there are people, are there not? Or you think fanatic/irrational individuals only listen to true propaganda stright from the horses mouth?

His tone was fine, though not something i'd bother with. I will, however, never label ANY bias figure in the media as good. You immediatly lose your B or higher grade as soon as you dismiss neutrality in my opinion.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:01 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:It's only brainwashing if the listener only listens to one person. People should try not to do that.

I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?

And Tool is awesome.

But of course, it's just PS's use of their symbology that makes me giggle.


Dave Frum is a progressive spin-master. He can also seem to be okay sometimes. I'm also certain he is grooming Megan Mccain. That is all I will say about him.

Loot: I said I auto-rolled it!


His article is worth a read in full. Like I said, not portraying him as a saint, or a demon.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:03 pm

Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Lootifer wrote:I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?


I don't know what Phatscotty or Night Strike read or listen to.

That being said, these kinds of guys are in it for the money. Rush Limbaugh is trying to make money. Keith Olbermann is trying to make money. Once people realize that, they understand those guys' motivations and it's easier to care only about the facts behind the message rather than the message itself.

So that makes it ok for the messaging to [sometimes] be batshit insane and further develop this demagogy?

I personally don't like what i've learned about him because of his messages, if he was truely a good investigative journalist worthy of an RIP thread then he should have been politically neutral. But he wasn't so he was a dick.


Demagougery only occurs if there are people to make the speaker a demagogue.

He was a good journalist. Just because you don't agree with his message or his tone, does not change that.

But there are people, are there not? Or you think fanatic/irrational individuals only listen to true propaganda stright from the horses mouth?

His tone was fine, though not something i'd bother with. I will, however, never label ANY bias figure in the media as good. You immediatly lose your B or higher grade as soon as you dismiss neutrality in my opinion.


I don't disagree with any of that.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Lootifer on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:04 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:It's only brainwashing if the listener only listens to one person. People should try not to do that.

I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?

And Tool is awesome.

But of course, it's just PS's use of their symbology that makes me giggle.


Dave Frum is a progressive spin-master. He can also seem to be okay sometimes. I'm also certain he is grooming Megan Mccain. That is all I will say about him.

Loot: I said I auto-rolled it!



His article is worth a read in full. Like I said, not portraying him as a saint, or a demon.

Eh the article you linked was extremely negative, the only reason I wont call it bias is because it could be predominantly factual (though not sure as I dont know enough about this guy)
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:05 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:It's only brainwashing if the listener only listens to one person. People should try not to do that.

I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?

And Tool is awesome.

But of course, it's just PS's use of their symbology that makes me giggle.


Dave Frum is a progressive spin-master. He can also seem to be okay sometimes. I'm also certain he is grooming Megan Mccain. That is all I will say about him.

Loot: I said I auto-rolled it!


His article is worth a read in full. Like I said, not portraying him as a saint, or a demon.


Yeah I read that long ass article! One thing I did note in the very first line was a negative one. Conveniently stating in the second sentence that the opening sentence does not apply, but is 100% implied already to the reader.

Progressive Inception. BOOM! David Frum: spin maestro
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 pm

Lootifer wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:How do you know you're not falling victim to your cognitive bias?

'course im suffering from cog bias. But the fact that I, and many around me, suffer from the same cog bias is a supporting argument in itself.


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20 million kiwis is a problem though.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:26 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:It's only brainwashing if the listener only listens to one person. People should try not to do that.

I was referring to the demagogy as mentioned in that review of his life Sym linked, and the evidence of this demagogy (sorry for thrashing this word, but it's a good one i've only just learned, but felt the need for an equivilent for a long time) in his most well known piece. And how much alternate world views do the PS/NS's of this world genuinely listen too?

And Tool is awesome.

But of course, it's just PS's use of their symbology that makes me giggle.


Dave Frum is a progressive spin-master. He can also seem to be okay sometimes. I'm also certain he is grooming Megan Mccain. That is all I will say about him.

Loot: I said I auto-rolled it!


His article is worth a read in full. Like I said, not portraying him as a saint, or a demon.


Yeah I read that long ass article! One thing I did note in the very first line was a negative one. Conveniently stating in the second sentence that the opening sentence does not apply, but is 100% implied already to the reader.

Progressive Inception. BOOM! David Frum: spin maestro


Not sure which article you read, as it wasn't long and the first line is “Of the dead, speak nothing but what is good.”, which isn't negative... but I'll repost:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/01/andrew-breitbart-1969-2012.html
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:40 pm

@ the opening line. Right, but why say aloud in the opening sentence that which sensible people already know?

Because it's a progressive rule #104 to always put up on a pedestal a cultural norm or a common moral rule, and then spend the rest of the time smashing it to pieces.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby Symmetry on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:@ the opening line. Right, but why say aloud in the opening sentence that which sensible people already know?

Because it's a progressive rule #104 to always put up on a pedestal a cultural norm or a common moral rule, and then spend the rest of the time smashing it to pieces.


It's also not particularly long either, so I wasn't sure if it was the same article, but anyway, I thought it was balanced. Didn't ignore the criticisms and portray him as a hero, didn't ignore his importance or his humanity by portraying him as a demon or a kook.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Brietbart

Postby spurgistan on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:12 pm

I like how you edited the title to add some sort of weird nickname, but not actually spell his name correctly.
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew "Achilles" Breitbart

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:59 pm

Fascinating interview of Andrew Breitbart by Dennis Prager on "the Democrat Media Complex"

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/dennis-prag ... -interview

I did not know he used to wash cars, be a pizza delivery man, a waiter, or was A HUGE liberal!
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Re: R.I.P. Andrew Brietbart

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Mar 02, 2012 2:30 pm

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Aradhus wrote:

American hero Andrew Breitbart screaming at a crowd of protesters that they're freaks and animals, and that they should stop raping people.

Real fucking hero this guy. No wonder Scotty likes him.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

"Behave yourselves!"

response...

"racist sexist anti-gay!" "Police! Police!"

LMFAO

I was making fun of the response, which is to immediately call anyone they disagree with "racist" for starters. Dru was pretty effective though, in being that one man stopped an entire drum circle! He tore em to bits in under 60 seconds.


Do you have a point? I'm getting a little tired of these razionalisations of yours. So and so said something mean, therefore responding in kind is justifiable. Not that accusing an entire crowd of being freaks and animals and rapists is even remotely comparable to calling a racist sexist bigot, a racist sexist bigot. Your loser hero was clearly trying to incite violence, by haranguing a crowd.

You're just incapable of being reasonable and honest aren't you Scotty?



#1 It's an observation. How do you get rationalization from that?
#2 Accusations of being a freak or an animal is not an accusation of hatred. Accusations of racism, sexism, or homophobic are, which have repeatedly been debunked and have no evidence whatsoever to support them. Implying hate exists when there is none is hateful. and pathetic.
#3 Rape Accusations are true, many times over. Some have been officially prosecuted and jailed already.

my point was the same as yours, we just look at the image from different angles. :roll: You pointed out why you think he isn't a hero, I pointed out why I think he is a hero. I guess we just see things differently, which should not be a surprise to you. It seems you are only looking at what the camera is looking at. I was looking and listening to the whole clip while taking the environment around it into context. Maybe you should watch again.

Hey, don't blame me of any of that shit. If Occupiers don't want their movement/message to look stupid, don't rape or invite people who rape people at your rallies, don't shit on police cars like animals do, and don't....well, see this one for yourself. It just happened at Occupy Tuscon yesterday, and it speaks to the "freak" accusations well enough

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