Is USA a fascist state?

[BigBallinStalin]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

[natty dread]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

Oh, you know, the usual.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/apr/05/us-sexual-humiliation-political-control

In a five-four ruling this week, the supreme court decided that anyone can be strip-searched upon arrest for any offense, however minor, at any time. This horror show ruling joins two recent horror show laws: the NDAA, which lets anyone be arrested forever at any time, and HR 347, the "trespass bill", which gives you a 10-year sentence for protesting anywhere near someone with secret service protection. These criminalizations of being human follow, of course, the mini-uprising of the Occupy movement.

Sounds like one to me.

We are heading there... but don't pay too much attention, after all the real issues are just economics (sarcasm alert).

Yep, why worry about searches (only to protect us, after all) or denials of speech (radical speech just incites people to negativity), the real threats are homosexuality, abortion and the destruction of the family, particularly denuding of the father's role in the household.

[BigBallinStalin]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

Oh, you know, the usual.

Have fun complaining about something you can't explain!

[Army of GOD]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

I'M interested in this too, but looks like natty is just avoiding the question.

[saxitoxin]

We are heading there... but don't pay too much attention, after all the real issues are just economics (sarcasm alert).

Yep, why worry about searches (only to protect us, after all) or denials of speech (radical speech just incites people to negativity), the real threats are ...

Didn't you say you'll be voting for the President who signed the NDAA, who ordered the execution without trial of a U.S. citizen, who voted for immunity for telecoms for warrantless wiretapping, who is seeking to put Bradley Manning to death, who expanded domestic use of surveillance drones, who is seeking to eliminate the Freedom of Information Act?

But he'll order the treasury to give you a few hundred bucks of treats to buy your vote ... I guess the real issues are economics for you, too.

Your price tag is just lower.

[natty dread]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

I'M interested in this too, but looks like natty is just avoiding the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... man_Rights

[BigBallinStalin]

But doesn't the freedom of individuals encompass the freedom to transact business?

Certainly, but that's not the point. Individuals have freedom to do business, but the freedoms of businesses should never override the freedoms of the individuals. In other words, corporate interests should never be given the priority over basic human rights.

What are those basic human rights?

I'M interested in this too, but looks like natty is just avoiding the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... man_Rights

Care to narrow the following down?

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[Army of GOD]

looks like he still has no interest in honestly answering the question

[natty dread]

What exactly is unclear? Human rights are human rights. They're clearly defined in the human rights declaration.

It's like we're in an argument over whether the sky is blue or not, and I'm claiming it is, and you guys refuse to address my arguments unless I explain to you what "blue" is. You're being disingenuous and obstinate. (Look, I know long words)

[thegreekdog]

I love how the right-wing people instantly jump on to "stop regulating teh businesses" as if the freedom of businesses to make a profit is more important than the freedom of actual people as individuals...

just sayin'.

Everyone knows that the whole of US political field is totally operated according to corporate interests anyway...

What right-wing people?

[Army of GOD]

What exactly is unclear? Human rights are human rights. They're clearly defined in the human rights declaration.

It's like we're in an argument over whether the sky is blue or not, and I'm claiming it is, and you guys refuse to address my arguments unless I explain to you what "blue" is. You're being disingenuous and obstinate. (Look, I know long words)

It's ok natty if you want to avoid the question...I'd just rather you come out and say that you have no interest in answering it.

[saxitoxin]

I know long words

How many long words do you know? I know fourteen. I'm working on a couple more, though.

[Army of GOD]

antidisestablishmenttarianism

[BigBallinStalin]

What exactly is unclear? Human rights are human rights. They're clearly defined in the human rights declaration.

It's like we're in an argument over whether the sky is blue or not, and I'm claiming it is, and you guys refuse to address my arguments unless I explain to you what "blue" is. You're being disingenuous and obstinate. (Look, I know long words)

Article 11

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. And fart.

Have corporate interests violated someone's universal right to fart?