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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:56 pm

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Symmetry wrote:That's kind of a bizarre thought. I can accept that people might think that Obama is a bad president, but that he's "actively trying to harm our country" pushes you into nustso realms.

Seriously, how far are you willing to push this?


I only push it because it's the truth. Obama thinks that there is nothing special/unique about the US, has apologized to countries all around the world, hides acts of terrorism under the guise of a video, consults with Communists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood, uses the government to take over private industries, desires to tax the country as punishment for using the "wrong" types of fuel, etc. There are a bunch of things he has done that has deliberately harmed our country.


And yeah, there's the nutso. Do you even like the US? You seem to hate most of it.


I know those actions and beliefs are nutso, which is why I hope we have a different president soon.

By the way, if you're trying to prove me nutso, you haven't discredited any of those statements.


Not much need to prove it. Indeed, the best proof is for me to just let you ramble on. As I suggested before, there's plenty of good reasons to critcise Obama or to consider him a bad president.

When you head in to "he's actively trying to destroy America" territory, that's the realm of the nutsos. Drag yourself back to sanity for a moment, and consider what you're saying.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Woodruff on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:24 pm

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Woodruff wrote:Your desperation is palpable. You do realize that blindly supporting Romney and attacking Obama in this forum isn't really going to affect the reality that Obama is going to win the election, don't you?


I do not subscribe to the belief that it's a foregone conclusion that Obama will win.


Nothing wrong with that.

Night Strike wrote:And it's not a blind support of Romney.


I have yet to see you make a nuanced statement regarding him in any fashion. So I'll have to disagree with you about that.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Woodruff on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:28 pm

Night Strike wrote:I only push it because it's the truth. Obama thinks that there is nothing special/unique about the US


There IS NOTHING special/unique about the United States.

Night Strike wrote:has apologized to countries all around the world


This is not a problem. There are plenty of things we should be apologizing for, frankly. That is a part of diplomacy...you can't do it all with a sword, Night Strike.

Night Strike wrote:hides acts of terrorism under the guise of a video


What?

Night Strike wrote:consults with Communists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood


Consults with them? You're gonna have to document the fashion of his consultations. Thanks.

Night Strike wrote:uses the government to take over private industries


You're going to have to cite this one too. Good Lord.

Night Strike wrote:desires to tax the country as punishment for using the "wrong" types of fuel, etc.


As opposed to subsidies for oil companies?

Night Strike wrote:There are a bunch of things he has done that has deliberately harmed our country.


If you believe Obama is deliberately trying to harm our country, you're a big ol' dumbshit. There's no other way to put it.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Night Strike on Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:15 pm

Wow Woody, even player made a better post then you.

Hiding terrorism was clearly referring to Libya, while the taking over of private industries was clearly GM and healthcare. For all the others, you'll have to do your own research, and I'd advise not looking to the mainstream media because they aren't reporting any of it.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:28 am

Night Strike wrote:Wow Woody, even player made a better post then you.

Hiding terrorism was clearly referring to Libya, while the taking over of private industries was clearly GM and healthcare. For all the others, you'll have to do your own research, and I'd advise not looking to the mainstream media because they aren't reporting any of it.


So essentially you're saying that we should look at crackpot sites on the internet in order to understand where you're getting your ideas from?
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby chang50 on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:49 am

Obama thinks that there is nothing special/unique about the US,

As opposed to the arrogance of thinking there is.This is precisely the crap attitude that gets the us so badly liked internationally.Imagine if one of your neighbours/colleagues went around smugly and arbitrarily declaring their exceptionality?Might that self proclaimed superiority adversely affect your opinion/relationship with them?A little Socratic self examination might be useful...
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:59 am

chang50 wrote:Obama thinks that there is nothing special/unique about the US,

As opposed to the arrogance of thinking there is.This is precisely the crap attitude that gets the us so badly liked internationally.Imagine if one of your neighbours/colleagues went around smugly and arbitrarily declaring their exceptionality?Might that self proclaimed superiority adversely affect your opinion/relationship with them?A little Socratic self examination might be useful...


He's pretty clear that he considers the US special and unique. He wrote two books about it. That he also acknowledges that it ain't perfect and has problems, current and historical, shows that he's a realist.

There's the cheap patriotism of declaring that the US is flawless, and then there's realism. Disliking Obama is fair, but he's a pragmatist. Not an idealist.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby chang50 on Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:09 am

Symmetry wrote:
chang50 wrote:Obama thinks that there is nothing special/unique about the US,

As opposed to the arrogance of thinking there is.This is precisely the crap attitude that gets the us so badly liked internationally.Imagine if one of your neighbours/colleagues went around smugly and arbitrarily declaring their exceptionality?Might that self proclaimed superiority adversely affect your opinion/relationship with them?A little Socratic self examination might be useful...


He's pretty clear that he considers the US special and unique. He wrote two books about it. That he also acknowledges that it ain't perfect and has problems, current and historical, shows that he's a realist.

There's the cheap patriotism of declaring that the US is flawless, and then there's realism. Disliking Obama is fair, but he's a pragmatist. Not an idealist.


You are correct in your analysis,I detect an abundance of cheap patriotism coming out of certain vocal sections of the us,this inevitably fails to endear the nation to the rest of the international community.The days when the us was big enough to say f@ck you to the rest of the world are rapidly coming to an end.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:45 am

Cheap patriotism is rarely endearing. Diplomacy is a strength though. Obama has it, Romney is a shambles and probably shouldn't talk to people outside of the US.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:44 am

He shouldn't talk to anyone who disagrees with him ever; or his arguments start defeating themselves. You remember the statement "Corporations are people, my friend."

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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Woodruff on Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:14 am

Night Strike wrote:Wow Woody, even player made a better post then you.

Hiding terrorism was clearly referring to Libya, while the taking over of private industries was clearly GM and healthcare. For all the others, you'll have to do your own research, and I'd advise not looking to the mainstream media because they aren't reporting any of it.


1. For most of those, "research" isn't relevant. For instance, you want me to research whether there is something special/unique about the United States? Well...we've got the Grand Canyon, so there's that...

2. You want me to "research" it, but only on the sites you frequent, because nobody else is reporting it. I would suggest to you that the reason nobody else is reporting it ISN'T "because they're the only ones brave enough to do so" or some other weird excuse.

But hey, if you want to go the route of Phatscotty and not support your statements, that's your call. Good luck with that.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:49 pm

Symmetry wrote:Cheap patriotism is rarely endearing. Diplomacy is a strength though. Obama has it, Romney is a shambles and probably shouldn't talk to people outside of the US.


Yes, Obama was diplomatic about the missile strikes against Libya 2011.

He was very diplomatic about the extrajudicial killing on that US citizen and his son too!

His continuing the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq are very diplomatic too, so diplomatic because policing and combating insurgency is not war, but diplomacy. He's definitely winning hearts and minds in the Middle East too, because he's so diplomatic!

Oh, and the drone strikes and joint COIN operations across the Middle East and sub-saharan Africa are great efforts at seeking peaceful resolutions through nonviolence!
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:57 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Cheap patriotism is rarely endearing. Diplomacy is a strength though. Obama has it, Romney is a shambles and probably shouldn't talk to people outside of the US.


Yes, Obama was diplomatic about the missile strikes against Libya 2011.

He was very diplomatic about the extrajudicial killing on that US citizen and his son too!

His continuing the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq are very diplomatic too, so diplomatic because policing and combating insurgency is not war, but diplomacy. He's definitely winning hearts and minds in the Middle East too, because he's so diplomatic!

Oh, and the drone strikes and joint COIN operations across the Middle East and sub-saharan Africa are great efforts at seeking peaceful resolutions through nonviolence!


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit sweetie.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:05 pm

Maybe this will cheer you up:

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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:36 pm

I gotta say that I didn't care for that one too much.


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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:01 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Cheap patriotism is rarely endearing. Diplomacy is a strength though. Obama has it, Romney is a shambles and probably shouldn't talk to people outside of the US.


Yes, Obama was diplomatic about the missile strikes against Libya 2011.

He was very diplomatic about the extrajudicial killing on that US citizen and his son too!

His continuing the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq are very diplomatic too, so diplomatic because policing and combating insurgency is not war, but diplomacy. He's definitely winning hearts and minds in the Middle East too, because he's so diplomatic!

Oh, and the drone strikes and joint COIN operations across the Middle East and sub-saharan Africa are great efforts at seeking peaceful resolutions through nonviolence!


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit sweetie.


Ignoring the faults of your own position is the highest form of ignorance.

Side-stepping the problems of your erroneous position with an ad hominem fallacy doesn't address your ignorance.


Just thought you should know. I care about the unintentional lies which you regurgitate.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:48 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
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Symmetry wrote:Cheap patriotism is rarely endearing. Diplomacy is a strength though. Obama has it, Romney is a shambles and probably shouldn't talk to people outside of the US.


Yes, Obama was diplomatic about the missile strikes against Libya 2011.

He was very diplomatic about the extrajudicial killing on that US citizen and his son too!

His continuing the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq are very diplomatic too, so diplomatic because policing and combating insurgency is not war, but diplomacy. He's definitely winning hearts and minds in the Middle East too, because he's so diplomatic!

Oh, and the drone strikes and joint COIN operations across the Middle East and sub-saharan Africa are great efforts at seeking peaceful resolutions through nonviolence!


Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit sweetie.


Ignoring the faults of your own position is the highest form of ignorance.

Side-stepping the problems of your erroneous position with an ad hominem fallacy doesn't address your ignorance.


Just thought you should know. I care about the unintentional lies which you regurgitate.


It's nice to know that you care, I guess.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:55 am

Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:59 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


What do you think I'm ignorant of? As an allegedly "education" (sic.) young man, I'm curious.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby chang50 on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:03 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


Lol,questioning someone's education or lack of,using very poor English,or were you striving for comic effect.. :-s
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:07 pm

chang50 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


Lol,questioning someone's education or lack of,using very poor English,or were you striving for comic effect.. :-s


Has my pattern of posting been mostly serious or mostly joking or some dual simultaneous mixture?


*(note how Sym could not resist addressing that mispel.)
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:10 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


What do you think I'm ignorant of? As an allegedly "education" (sic.) young man, I'm curious.


"Stubbornly ignorant," Sym.

You hold view X.

View X is shown to be wrong.

You dodge and continue on.


It's almost as if.... you've become contaminated with Phatism.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:18 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


What do you think I'm ignorant of? As an allegedly "education" (sic.) young man, I'm curious.


"Stubbornly ignorant," Sym.

You hold view X.

View X is shown to be wrong.

You dodge and continue on.


It's almost as if.... you've become contaminated with Phatism.


It's difficult to argue with you if your stance is simply that you want to flame.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:22 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Sym, for an allegedly education young man, why are you so stubbornly ignorant?
(asking sincerely here)


What do you think I'm ignorant of? As an allegedly "education" (sic.) young man, I'm curious.


"Stubbornly ignorant," Sym.

You hold view X.

View X is shown to be wrong.

You dodge and continue on.


It's almost as if.... you've become contaminated with Phatism.


It's difficult to argue with you if your stance is simply that you want to flame.


Ah, not bad. I was expecting something more witty, but I'll settle for the weak straw man.
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Re: Mitt Romney Scandals

Postby Symmetry on Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:28 pm

My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
What day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time;
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .


You're getting tedious BBS, and more than a little mad.
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