Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Symmetry wrote:Simply hoping to clarify, just in case you weren't au fait with the Satanism part- to be fair, you seemed a bit confused by it.


Not confused. Just a label that people use. I tend not to argue labels, especially when it is intended to be more of a fear inspired label, rather than an a label of accuracy.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Symmetry wrote:I appreciate the terminology is controversial, but Juan wasn't incorrect to make the comparison in philosophy.

Bingo.

patrickaa317 wrote:So I guess my question is the below:
Do you feel the interviewer was in line doing what he did? I have heard you comment that I was taking the comment out of context but I haven't heard where you stand on the process of the interviewer approaching the VP candidate the way that was done in the video.


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Juan_Bottom wrote:Satanist Paul Ryan deals with Labor Day Parade harassment.


Juan_Bottom wrote:I posted that video under the headline of Paul Ryan being harassed.


Juan_Bottom wrote:I said that he was being harassed, and posted it because it was relevant.


Juan_Bottom wrote:Those people interrupting that parade are semi-retarded.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:48 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Simply hoping to clarify, just in case you weren't au fait with the Satanism part- to be fair, you seemed a bit confused by it.


Not confused. Just a label that people use. I tend not to argue labels, especially when it is intended to be more of a fear inspired label, rather than an a label of accuracy.



If you're implying that being called a Satanist is a fear-inspiring label; you're completely wrong. In the Huxley - inspired world of scary religions its closer to being called a trekkie.
It's also a pretty accurate label in the instance that I used it.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:53 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I appreciate the terminology is controversial, but Juan wasn't incorrect to make the comparison in philosophy.

Bingo.

patrickaa317 wrote:So I guess my question is the below:
Do you feel the interviewer was in line doing what he did? I have heard you comment that I was taking the comment out of context but I haven't heard where you stand on the process of the interviewer approaching the VP candidate the way that was done in the video.


>>>>>
Juan_Bottom wrote:Satanist Paul Ryan deals with Labor Day Parade harassment.


Juan_Bottom wrote:I posted that video under the headline of Paul Ryan being harassed.


Juan_Bottom wrote:I said that he was being harassed, and posted it because it was relevant.


Juan_Bottom wrote:Those people interrupting that parade are semi-retarded.


Fair enough. Admitting he was being harassed, doesn't show any opposition for that type of action. The quote of you calling them semi-retarded is sufficient of answer though.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:14 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Simply hoping to clarify, just in case you weren't au fait with the Satanism part- to be fair, you seemed a bit confused by it.


Not confused. Just a label that people use. I tend not to argue labels, especially when it is intended to be more of a fear inspired label, rather than an a label of accuracy.



If you're implying that being called a Satanist is a fear-inspiring label; you're completely wrong. In the Huxley - inspired world of scary religions its closer to being called a trekkie.
It's also a pretty accurate label in the instance that I used it.


I view calling someone a Satanist a fear-inspiring label as many people do not fully understand the Church of Satan and what it stands for.

And "pretty" accurate is another way of saying not entirely accurate; or another way of saying there were some similarities but they are not completely similar.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:45 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Simply hoping to clarify, just in case you weren't au fait with the Satanism part- to be fair, you seemed a bit confused by it.


Not confused. Just a label that people use. I tend not to argue labels, especially when it is intended to be more of a fear inspired label, rather than an a label of accuracy.



If you're implying that being called a Satanist is a fear-inspiring label; you're completely wrong. In the Huxley - inspired world of scary religions its closer to being called a trekkie.
It's also a pretty accurate label in the instance that I used it.


I view calling someone a Satanist a fear-inspiring label as many people do not fully understand the Church of Satan and what it stands for.
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Or it's good ol' trolling--especially when one glances over the differences between Ayn Randism and Satanism, but hey, it's JB. What do you expect?
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:56 pm

The only difference is their theology, as I explained. But you chose not to participate in the conversation, only to judge people based on a descriptive word they used without the context that it was used in.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:08 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:The only difference is their theology, as I explained. But you chose not to participate in the conversation, only to judge people based on a descriptive word they used without the context that it was used in.


I'm sure you did a bang-up job, JB.
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Re: Who is Paul Ryan and what does he stand for?

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:45 am

patrickaa317 wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Simply hoping to clarify, just in case you weren't au fait with the Satanism part- to be fair, you seemed a bit confused by it.


Not confused. Just a label that people use. I tend not to argue labels, especially when it is intended to be more of a fear inspired label, rather than an a label of accuracy.



If you're implying that being called a Satanist is a fear-inspiring label; you're completely wrong. In the Huxley - inspired world of scary religions its closer to being called a trekkie.
It's also a pretty accurate label in the instance that I used it.


I view calling someone a Satanist a fear-inspiring label as many people do not fully understand the Church of Satan and what it stands for.

And "pretty" accurate is another way of saying not entirely accurate; or another way of saying there were some similarities but they are not completely similar.


It's a provocative label, but I don't think JB is at fault for provoking you to think about the terms you or I employ a little more critically. Pretty accurate would suggest that he was mostly right, no? Where do you see the dissimilarities? At its core, Satanism is very similar to Rand's philosophy. It's not really enough to say that Ryan said he rejects Rand, or that Ryan doesn't identify himself as Satanic.

His arguments seem largely to be the same at their core. Where do you see a divergence?
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