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Is Obama a Marxist?

Of course!, because Marxist means whatever I want it to mean
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Yes
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He's kinda Marxist
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I dunno cuz I'm agnostic
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No
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:33 am

thegreekdog wrote:Okay, here's the deal PS. Your definition of Obama as a marxist and/or progressive hinges upon things he's said or people he's associated with. My definition of Obama as a Republican in Democrat clothing hinges upon the laws he's signed and the policies he's implemented since being president. Are you saying that a better barometer of the president's political ideology is what he's said and people he's associated with? If the answer to that question is yes, you are delusional, but let's say the answer is yes. If the answer is yes, my response is, "so what?" since the evidence of the last four years points to him being a Republican, not a marxist and not a progressive.

Let me give you a simple example - I can say that I prefer the Waterloo map to all other maps. I an in a user group that mostly plays the Waterloo map. If I have never played Waterloo, does that make me a Waterloo player? No, it does not.


This is not a criticism of your being able to criticize the president. Rather, this is a criticism of how you have labelled the president and how you present your arguments. He is NOT a Marxist. He is NOT a progressive.


I realize that. I also understand why you say he's the same as any president. Of course words do not match up to actions, but I will say, that because of Obama covering up his paper trail all his life, voting "present" 97% of the time while in the state Senate....."a better barometer of the president's political ideology is what he's said and people he's associated with?" It's not about being better or worse....it's about being all we have! Wait, you mean you think I would actually answer yes to your question? Okay now that's just insulting.

I think Obama is a Leftist, a Collectivist, a socialist, a Marxist, whatever you want to call it....he is about redistributing other peoples wealth, and I believe he is ALL about it, more than any president in recent history, and probably the most since FDR. And I think that because he has surrounded himself with those kind of people, which means he believes in and is comfortable around those kinds of people, and not just in the last 2 years, or the last 4 years.....all...his....life. His friends at the University he taught at, the leader of his church, his spiritual leader today, his mentor from age 10-16, the direction his mother set for him...the guy hung a Mao Christmas ornament on the tree at the White House. Technically, that is an action :P

Would you be able to agree Obama was a Marxist if his college records turn up a thesis paper titled "The Glory of Karl Marx's ball sack"? Or does that just count as "something he said"

Curious: What do you label Obama?
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:51 am

saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The Communist party of America officially changed their name to the Progressive Party of America sometime in the early 1900's.


No, this did not happen. There are six unarguably national Communist parties operating in the United States under the following names:

- Revolutionary Communist Party (Maoist)

- Communist Party USA (Paleo-Marxist)

- Workers World (Juche)

- Socialist Workers Party (Pathfinder)

- Socialist Party USA (Trotskyist)

- Party of Socialism and Liberation (?)

I've never heard of an extant group called the Progressive Party. I bing-dot-commed for their website but couldn't find it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

is what PS probably means by "progressives."


Yup. Before peeps start flippin out, yes, I know that the Progressive Party of today is no longer


Does the Progressive Party have a website? Could you post the URL so we can visit it? It might help to eradicate some of the skepticism you're facing as to whether a national political party called "Progressive Party" exists.


Okay, I should not have used the word party. But, my choice of words do not change the similarities in the polices of Progressives and Communism or any other theories or philosophies based on or attributed to Marx.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/
Progressive Caucus, in the Democrat party. I think there are roughly 78-81 members in the House

Edit: These videos have nothing specific to do with the discussion, other than it's another opinion of the same charge and a little more background at the progressive roots.



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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:20 am

Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The Communist party of America officially changed their name to the Progressive Party of America sometime in the early 1900's.


No, this did not happen. There are six unarguably national Communist parties operating in the United States under the following names:

- Revolutionary Communist Party (Maoist)

- Communist Party USA (Paleo-Marxist)

- Workers World (Juche)

- Socialist Workers Party (Pathfinder)

- Socialist Party USA (Trotskyist)

- Party of Socialism and Liberation (?)

I've never heard of an extant group called the Progressive Party. I bing-dot-commed for their website but couldn't find it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era

is what PS probably means by "progressives."


Yup. Before peeps start flippin out, yes, I know that the Progressive Party of today is no longer


Does the Progressive Party have a website? Could you post the URL so we can visit it? It might help to eradicate some of the skepticism you're facing as to whether a national political party called "Progressive Party" exists.


Okay, I should not have used the word party. But, my choice of words do not change the similarities in the polices of Progressives and Communism or any other theories or philosophies based on or attributed to Marx.

http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/
Progressive Caucus, in the Democrat party. I think there are roughly 78-81 members in the House


Barack Obama was never a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus when he was in Congress.
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:54 am

This message is only for the people who voted that Obama is a Marxist. If you voted Obama is not a Marxist,
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:15 am

In 1978, Gen. Leigh, Vice-Chairman of the Chilean military junta, resigned in protest over a disagreement in the economic policies of Gen. Pinochet. Pinochet, at the time, was moving forward with mass privatization of the Chilean economy. Gen. Leigh supported total state control.

The point being, Leigh was an avowed anti-Marxist and his anti-Marxist credentials can't be questioned. He had one of his eyes shot out of its socket in an assassination attempt by the Manuel Rodriguez Movement. After the coup against Allende he personally oversaw the execution of 200 members of Popular Unity and called Castro a dictator. But he opposed economic privatization. Marxism is a very specific way of looking at the world - not whether you support a 25% or 35% marginal tax rate or if you oppose or support amending sub-section whatever of appendix X of the SEC consolidated omnibus bill of 197something.

    Obama is a book club leftist who spent university chattering about Rosa Luxemburg over cappuccinos because it fed some prissy intellectual void in his mind, then he got old and cynical - figured the big house in Hyde Park and the Lexus was better than his 5-minute youthful dream of tromping through a Bolivian cocoa field with Che - realized the money train was about to pull into his station and stapled a "For Sale Rent" sign to his forehead. A communist revolution would mean the end of Goldman Sachs. Goldman-Sachs wouldn't give millions to Obama if he were plotting to have their directors hanged from lamp posts on Broad Street.
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:24 am

If the meat looks well done, and you've stuck a fork in it 6 times to confirm, should there be any doubt that the meat is well done?
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:35 am

saxitoxin wrote:Obama is a book club leftist who spent university chattering about Rosa Luxemburg over cappuccinos because it fed some prissy intellectual void in his mind, then he got old and cynical - figured the big house in Hyde Park and the Lexus was better than his 5-minute youthful dream of tromping through ...


Replace "Obama" with "BBS", "leftist" with "anarcho-capitalist" and "Rosa Luxemburg" with "Ludwig von Mises" and I think I've just inadvertently predicted the future ... :o

BBS - PRESIDENT IN 2016 - HAIL TO HIS HORRIBILENESS!!! HIDE YOUR WOMEN AND FEMININE LOOKING BOYS!

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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:40 am

saxitoxin wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Obama is a book club leftist who spent university chattering about Rosa Luxemburg over cappuccinos because it fed some prissy intellectual void in his mind, then he got old and cynical - figured the big house in Hyde Park and the Lexus was better than his 5-minute youthful dream of tromping through ...
...a seastead with Patri Friedman - realized the money train was about to pull into his station and stapled a "For Sale Rent" sign to his forehead. An anarcho-capitalist revolution would mean the end of [Future Moneybags Inc.]. [Future Moneybags Inc.] wouldn't give millions to BBS if he were plotting to have their directors survive within a competitive legal and regulatory system.




Replace "Obama" with "BBS", "leftist" with "anarcho-capitalist" and "Rosa Luxemburg" with "Ludwig von Mises" and I think I've just inadvertently predicted the future ... :o

BBS - PRESIDENT IN 2016 - HAIL TO HIS HORRIBILENESS!!! HIDE YOUR WOMEN AND FEMININE LOOKING BOYS!





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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:09 pm

Just wanted to share a little piece I have come across in my intense research of Obama's connections to Marxism. If you can get over the person who is repeating the information, you will be able to get the information. Yes, I know most of this is "words" but these words are going to guide my investigation of where to look for the actions, and at least they are Obama's words.

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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:41 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Just wanted to share a little piece I have come across in my intense research of Obama's connections to Marxism. If you can get over the person who is repeating the information, you will be able to get the information. Yes, I know most of this is "words" but these words are going to guide my investigation of where to look for the actions, and at least they are Obama's words.

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Scott, do you believe Obama is secretly a punk-rock performance poet?
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:26 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Just wanted to share a little piece I have come across in my intense research of Obama's connections to Marxism. If you can get over the person who is repeating the information, you will be able to get the information. Yes, I know most of this is "words" but these words are going to guide my investigation of where to look for the actions, and at least they are Obama's words.

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Scott, do you believe Obama is secretly a punk-rock performance poet?


no, but I will tip you 2 of my saxibucks for watching the clip
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:35 am

Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Just wanted to share a little piece I have come across in my intense research of Obama's connections to Marxism. If you can get over the person who is repeating the information, you will be able to get the information. Yes, I know most of this is "words" but these words are going to guide my investigation of where to look for the actions, and at least they are Obama's words.

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Scott, do you believe Obama is secretly a punk-rock performance poet?


no, but I will tip you 2 of my saxibucks for watching the clip


Why is it likely he's secretly a Marxist but not likely he's secretly a Punk Rock Performance Poet?
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby GBU56 on Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:54 am

Phatscotty wrote:Just wanted to share a little piece I have come across in my intense research of Obama's connections to Marxism. If you can get over the person who is repeating the information, you will be able to get the information. Yes, I know most of this is "words" but these words are going to guide my investigation of where to look for the actions, and at least they are Obama's words.




Anyone who posts so-called facts from Fox News Network or Glenn Beck, should have his/her brain checked for faulty neuron connections.
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby Night Strike on Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:29 am

GBU56 wrote:Anyone who posts so-called facts from Fox News Network or Glenn Beck, should have his/her brain checked for faulty neuron connections.


If they're so obvious to disprove, why don't you do so?
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Re: Is Obama a Marxist?

Postby GBU56 on Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:39 am

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Once you get kicked out of Fox News Network for being too crazy, well your television career is over......

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