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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:59 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:The only possibly good about this whole ordeal, is that the dude's name is Snowden. Catch-22 is probably my favorite novel, so every time I come across his name, I think of Snowden from the novel, and Yossarian being traumatized, and Snowden saying he's cold, and Yossarian helpless and in shock saying "There, there. There, there" since nothing else could be done.


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Ohh, that's why his name seemed so familiar. It's been years since I've read Catch-22.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:58 pm

...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:08 pm

...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:23 am

...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:35 pm

...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:17 pm

Woodruff wrote:Facebook helping things out:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/24/creepy-facebook/


Tying into the Facebook angle of things, here is a video that I hadn't seen
before (it's an Op-Ed piece, but very interesting):

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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:46 pm

This actually made me laugh out loud. I mean...it seems like such a big "BecauseFuckYou" kind of a response:

http://www.propublica.org/article/nsa-says-it-cant-search-own-emails
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:52 pm

...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby patches70 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 12:32 pm

Your Glenn Greenwald is going to be testifying soon before Congress about the NSA surveillance program. Along with a libertarian testimony from the Cato institute.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-gr ... veillance/
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:26 pm

Move to Curb NSA Surveillance Program Defeated in House

Close margin too.


Basically, they want to try again to get rid of it, but the US Patriot Act expires on 2015 (so unless they renew certain sections, then that's how it'll be 'defeated'). I figure by then that people will have mostly forgotten about it, so they can quietly renew it.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby patches70 on Sat Jul 27, 2013 1:49 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Move to Curb NSA Surveillance Program Defeated in House

Close margin too.




217 to 205 was the vote.

Someone went ahead and did some addition. The 217 congressmen who voted to uphold the program received twice the campaign financing from the defense industry than did the 205 members.

Imagine that.....

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/0 ... -nsa-vote/
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:22 pm

patches70 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Move to Curb NSA Surveillance Program Defeated in House

Close margin too.




217 to 205 was the vote.

Someone went ahead and did some addition. The 217 congressmen who voted to uphold the program received twice the campaign financing from the defense industry than did the 205 members.

Imagine that.....

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/0 ... -nsa-vote/


The Tea Party worked with the civil Liberty Democrats (again), but the holdover "Bush" Republicans and the homeland security Democrats prevailed.

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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:26 pm

It would've been vetoed anyway.
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Jul 27, 2013 3:33 pm

GreecePwns wrote:It would've been vetoed anyway.


Elections have consequences. There is a clear difference between decent politicians and tyrants regardless of party. The Tea Party and civil Liberty Democrats have already had their leadership positions and committee chairs and club memberships pulled for not going along with "business as usual". They drew a line in the sand just recently, and they didn't blink, and Boehner/Pelosi went through with "punishing" all those who dares stand in the way and try to change things.



2014 can be the year we really start to turn things around! We already have a foothold, have already been tested, have already survived. The Democrats are starting to show up, and maybe it is because their seat is on the line, but that shows the constituencies demands are strong and that is healthy as well. The campaign for Liberty continues to grow!
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Re: For those who claim to be for freedom...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jul 27, 2013 5:43 pm

GreecePwns wrote:It would've been vetoed anyway.


Perhaps, but at least there would be tension within government.
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