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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:18 pm

Why did you laugh?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:21 pm

Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


One reason is that he enjoys trying to get a rise out of you and others.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:30 pm

Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:51 pm

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Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so? People who actually pay attention to Romney know that this has always been his plan. There's nothing new here. Obama always claims that Romney's plans will only end up in massive tax cuts to "the rich", yet he always ignores that Romney plans to cut deductions. Romney's simply pointing out the reality of the plan that Obama continues to distort.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:58 pm

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Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so?


You don't think that someone who doesn't like Romney (as Juan clearly doesn't) wouldn't find that funny? Why not? It seems pretty basic.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:01 pm

I'm sure that crowd of Middle Class Americans with their $77,000 tax-credit Dressage Horses got that message during his speech.

I'm sorry, but his campaign is just so hilarious. I started out thinking Romney was a bad politician who was just.... ambitious. But I don't feel like I need to do a thing to expose him or his policy plans anymore. The man can't go a week without saying something hilariously bad. That man is proof that God wants America to re-elect Barack Obama.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:07 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so?


You don't think that someone who doesn't like Romney (as Juan clearly doesn't) wouldn't find that funny? Why not? It seems pretty basic.


And as you ignored the rest of my post, he didn't shoot himself in the foot. He stated the truth about his proposals instead of Obama's distortions.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:26 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
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Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so?


You don't think that someone who doesn't like Romney (as Juan clearly doesn't) wouldn't find that funny? Why not? It seems pretty basic.


And as you ignored the rest of my post, he didn't shoot himself in the foot.


He certainly did. You don't seem to be paying much attention to the response to this story.

Night Strike wrote:He stated the truth about his proposals instead of Obama's distortions.


Even IF this is true, it doesn't at all change the reality of what I'm saying.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:31 pm

Woodruff wrote:He certainly did. You don't seem to be paying much attention to the response to this story.


You mean there is a story behind his pretty picture? Maybe he should have posted actual links.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:34 pm

Dude lol this
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:48 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:He certainly did. You don't seem to be paying much attention to the response to this story.


You mean there is a story behind his pretty picture? Maybe he should have posted actual links.


It would have been a lot more effective to have simply typed "You are correct.".
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:52 pm

The Cherokee Nation is disappointed in and denounces the disrespectful actions of staffers and supporters of Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown. The conduct of these individuals goes far beyond what is appropriate and proper in political discourse. The use of stereotypical “war whoop chants” and “tomahawk chops” are offensive and downright racist. It is those types of actions that perpetuate negative stereotypes and continue to minimize and degrade all native peoples.

The individuals involved in this unfortunate incident are high ranking staffers in both the senate office and the Brown campaign. A campaign that would allow and condone such offensive and racist behavior must be called to task for their actions.

The Cherokee Nation is a modern, productive society, and I am blessed to be their chief. I will not be silent when individuals mock and insult our people and our great nation.

We need individuals in the United States Senate who respect Native Americans and have an understanding of tribal issues. For that reason, I call upon Sen. Brown to apologize for the offensive actions of his staff and their uneducated, unenlightened and racist portrayal of native peoples.


http://samuel-warde.com/2012/09/cheroke ... offensive/

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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:23 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:The Cherokee Nation is disappointed in and denounces the disrespectful actions of staffers and supporters of Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown. The conduct of these individuals goes far beyond what is appropriate and proper in political discourse. The use of stereotypical “war whoop chants” and “tomahawk chops” are offensive and downright racist. It is those types of actions that perpetuate negative stereotypes and continue to minimize and degrade all native peoples.

The individuals involved in this unfortunate incident are high ranking staffers in both the senate office and the Brown campaign. A campaign that would allow and condone such offensive and racist behavior must be called to task for their actions.

The Cherokee Nation is a modern, productive society, and I am blessed to be their chief. I will not be silent when individuals mock and insult our people and our great nation.

We need individuals in the United States Senate who respect Native Americans and have an understanding of tribal issues. For that reason, I call upon Sen. Brown to apologize for the offensive actions of his staff and their uneducated, unenlightened and racist portrayal of native peoples.


http://samuel-warde.com/2012/09/cheroke ... offensive/[/quote]

Yes, this was a thoroughly stupid thing for them to do. No question about it, and the Cherokee nation has every right to criticize them for it.

By the same token, the primary chief of the Cherokee nation happens to be a Democrat who spoke at the DNC. So while I think he's right in saying what he says, I find myself seriously questioning his individual motives in doing so.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:50 pm

Scott Brown's campaign did not condone those actions as the statement claims.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:37 pm

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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:46 pm

Great posts, JB! <pukes>

Median Voter Theorem
The median voter theorem seems to explain a few of the phenomena that occur in majoritarian voting systems. First, it may explain why politicians tend to adopt similar platforms and campaign rhetoric. In order to win the majority vote, politicians must tailor their platforms to the median voter.[2] For example, in the United States, the Democratic and Republican candidates typically move their campaign platforms towards the middle during general elections campaigns. Just as sellers in the private market try to win over their competitor’s customers by making slight changes to better their products, so, too, do politicians deviate only slightly from their opponent’s platform so as to gain votes.[2]

Second, the median voter theorem may explain why radical candidates or parties rarely get elected. If a politician is, for example, an extreme liberal on the very left end of the political spectrum, they will not capture nearly as many votes as the politician whose campaign platforms are more moderate. Finally, the theorem may explain why two major political parties tend to emerge in majoritarian voting systems (Duverger's law). Indeed, in the United States there are countless political parties, but only two major parties play a part in almost every major election: the Democratic and Republican parties. According to the median voter theorem third parties will rarely, if ever, win elections for same reason why extreme candidates do not tend to win. The major parties tend to co-opt the platforms of the minor parties in order to secure more votes.[1]

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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Sep 27, 2012 11:49 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so? People who actually pay attention to Romney know that this has always been his plan. There's nothing new here. Obama always claims that Romney's plans will only end up in massive tax cuts to "the rich", yet he always ignores that Romney plans to cut deductions. Romney's simply pointing out the reality of the plan that Obama continues to distort.


It's called class warfare, and it's Obama's hallmarx
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:18 pm

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Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Why did you laugh?


Because he essentially shot himself in the foot. Again.


Again....so? People who actually pay attention to Romney know that this has always been his plan. There's nothing new here. Obama always claims that Romney's plans will only end up in massive tax cuts to "the rich", yet he always ignores that Romney plans to cut deductions. Romney's simply pointing out the reality of the plan that Obama continues to distort.


It's called class warfare, and it's Obama's hallmarx


You do realize that "class warfare" isn't the same as "not always getting your way", right?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:29 pm

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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:36 pm

According to Sen. Patty Murray, an anonymous Senate Republican is blocking a cost of living increase for America’s disabled veterans.

A Republican senator is using an anonymous hold to block the traditionally bipartisan cost of living adjustment that is given to America’s disabled veterans and their survivors.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

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According to Sen. Patty Murray, an anonymous Senate Republican is blocking a cost of living increase for America’s disabled veterans.

A Republican senator is using an anonymous hold to block the traditionally bipartisan cost of living adjustment that is given to America’s disabled veterans and their survivors.


While veterans are the only group that the federal government should be providing any sort of continual assistance to, this story just goes to show how everything the government does has become political. Why should cost of living adjustments from the government be automatic when the government has record debts and the private sector has had very little in raises over the past 4 years? No one can even ask these questions because it's all a political game about hating whichever group of people is affected.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

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Because the cost of living has gone up and these veterans were promised this when they enlisted the first time?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

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Juan_Bottom wrote:Because the cost of living has gone up and these veterans were promised this when they enlisted the first time?


Because the government continues to monetize the debt and institute inflation?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Woodruff on Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:44 pm

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Juan_Bottom wrote:
According to Sen. Patty Murray, an anonymous Senate Republican is blocking a cost of living increase for America’s disabled veterans.

A Republican senator is using an anonymous hold to block the traditionally bipartisan cost of living adjustment that is given to America’s disabled veterans and their survivors.


While veterans are the only group that the federal government should be providing any sort of continual assistance to, this story just goes to show how everything the government does has become political. Why should cost of living adjustments from the government be automatic when the government has record debts and the private sector has had very little in raises over the past 4 years? No one can even ask these questions because it's all a political game about hating whichever group of people is affected.


Why is it so difficult for you to just say "Senator Murray is wrong on this one"? I mean, you would clearly seem to believe that he is. Why must you reflexively support anything done by a Republican?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Night Strike on Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:17 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
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According to Sen. Patty Murray, an anonymous Senate Republican is blocking a cost of living increase for America’s disabled veterans.

A Republican senator is using an anonymous hold to block the traditionally bipartisan cost of living adjustment that is given to America’s disabled veterans and their survivors.


While veterans are the only group that the federal government should be providing any sort of continual assistance to, this story just goes to show how everything the government does has become political. Why should cost of living adjustments from the government be automatic when the government has record debts and the private sector has had very little in raises over the past 4 years? No one can even ask these questions because it's all a political game about hating whichever group of people is affected.


Why is it so difficult for you to just say "Senator Murray is wrong on this one"? I mean, you would clearly seem to believe that he is. Why must you reflexively support anything done by a Republican?


You must not even know who Senator Murray is considering you used "he".
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