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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby stahrgazer on Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:13 pm

bedub1 wrote:Is it the tea-party that wants to shrink government?
Is it OWS that wants equality for the common man?
Is it the religious right that wants the bible to be the constitution?
Is it the bigots that wants to take away peoples rights?
Is it the ron pauls that want equal rights?
Is it the rmoney's that want to f*ck over the 99% to make the 1% richer?
Is it the angry/scared people that wants to take over the world with a larger army?
Is it the NSA peole that want to watch your every move?

Whatever happened to personal responsibility and compassion for your neighbor?

What do you think the Republican Party is today? What do you want it to be?


You forgot an important one: the party that wants the sitting president to fail badly at every endeavor, even those endeavors that the majority of the people support.

The party has become anything Rush Limbaugh (and his ilk) say it should be, aka: the party of venomous screamers.

I'd like it to be, again, the party that upheld the Union even when that meant stepping on private businessmen's toes in the name of Equality (Lincoln).
I'd like it to be, again, the party that progressively overspent the military to end a costly cold war (Reagan).
I'd like it to be, again, the party that ended segregation in schools, used real threats against China, invested in technological research and development to benefit future Americans (one of those programs leading to 'the internet') while encouraging strong science education and investigating peaceful uses for things like nuclear energy (Eisenhower).

These are three primary reasons I registered Republican, but most of these look like Democrats these days.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:33 pm

thegreekdog wrote:Oh my fucking Cthullu JB, you used Bernie Sanders as a source and didn't even provide a fucking link.


I'm sorry, but why the hell is that relevant? Are books without links garbage? Is BBS fingerless and unable to google the very specific information that I provided? I literally just googled the source that I provided and found it exactly, and immediately.
No and again no. He's just you're best friend and he can do no wrong because you love him.

But I know something you don't know.....

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=112367&start=45&p=2512097&view=show#p2512097

When I made that Bernie Sanders statement, I deliberately left out a link because I knew BBS would attack me for that. But here in this other thread, before the fight over the Holocaust he congratulated me on a post that I did not provide any links for. He went so far as to PM me and thank me, calling it "a worthy post."
Here was the exchange afterwards:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177067&start=45&hilit=Paul+Ryan+is+a+Marxist!&p=3867775&view=show#p3867775

BBS is a troll. A huge troll, and you're defending him. And you've also deliberately lied in this thread to make me look bad; you do not deny this. And you're going to continue mocking me for my unwillingness to debate you after that. What kind of respectful debate do you expect me to have with a troll and a liar? You should apologize to yourself, to your family, the community, Jesus, and all sorts of others because you're not a good person.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:25 pm

I lied? Neoteny doesn't think I lied.*

*Part of the "Get Neotney in Your Thread" campaign.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Ray Rider on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:33 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Oh my fucking Cthullu JB, you used Bernie Sanders as a source and didn't even provide a fucking link.


I'm sorry, but why the hell is that relevant? Are books without links garbage? Is BBS fingerless and unable to google the very specific information that I provided? I literally just googled the source that I provided and found it exactly, and immediately.
No and again no. He's just you're best friend and he can do no wrong because you love him.

But I know something you don't know.....

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=112367&start=45&p=2512097&view=show#p2512097

When I made that Bernie Sanders statement, I deliberately left out a link because I knew BBS would attack me for that. But here in this other thread, before the fight over the Holocaust he congratulated me on a post that I did not provide any links for. He went so far as to PM me and thank me, calling it "a worthy post."
Here was the exchange afterwards:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177067&start=45&hilit=Paul+Ryan+is+a+Marxist!&p=3867775&view=show#p3867775

BBS is a troll. A huge troll, and you're defending him. And you've also deliberately lied in this thread to make me look bad; you do not deny this. And you're going to continue mocking me for my unwillingness to debate you after that. What kind of respectful debate do you expect me to have with a troll and a liar? You should apologize to yourself, to your family, the community, Jesus, and all sorts of others because you're not a good person.

Actually, that's common of any poster in the forum--to not ask for sources about a post you agree with, but demand sources for info in a post you disagree with. That doesn't make anyone a troll. In that case, BBS calling you a troll seems uncalled-for, however, since you were making positive contributions to the thread. You seem to think it perfectly appropriate to fire the ad-hominem attacks right back though, so now you're both at the same level.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:39 pm

By the power of SCIENCE, I summon Neoteny to answer the following:


What is the Republican Party?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:46 am

Ray Rider wrote:Actually, that's common of any poster in the forum--to not ask for sources about a post you agree with, but demand sources for info in a post you disagree with. That doesn't make anyone a troll. In that case, BBS calling you a troll seems uncalled-for, however, since you were making positive contributions to the thread. You seem to think it perfectly appropriate to fire the ad-hominem attacks right back though, so now you're both at the same level.

Yeah, but at this point they aren't ad-hominem at all but are pretty much straight insults designed to look like accidental ad-hominems. tgd insulted my sacred honor by calling me a coward, so what else could I do? People here respect him so I could not simply ignore him without the label sticking.


thegreekdog wrote:I lied? Neoteny doesn't think I lied.*

You said that I always cowardly refuse to respond to bbs' posts attacking mine while you also know that I cannot see his posts. You're a liar.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:17 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:Actually, that's common of any poster in the forum--to not ask for sources about a post you agree with, but demand sources for info in a post you disagree with. That doesn't make anyone a troll. In that case, BBS calling you a troll seems uncalled-for, however, since you were making positive contributions to the thread. You seem to think it perfectly appropriate to fire the ad-hominem attacks right back though, so now you're both at the same level.

Yeah, but at this point they aren't ad-hominem at all but are pretty much straight insults designed to look like accidental ad-hominems. tgd insulted my sacred honor by calling me a coward, so what else could I do? People here respect him so I could not simply ignore him without the label sticking.


thegreekdog wrote:I lied? Neoteny doesn't think I lied.*

You said that I always cowardly refuse to respond to bbs' posts attacking mine while you also know that I cannot see his posts. You're a liar.



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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:18 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:Actually, that's common of any poster in the forum--to not ask for sources about a post you agree with, but demand sources for info in a post you disagree with. That doesn't make anyone a troll. In that case, BBS calling you a troll seems uncalled-for, however, since you were making positive contributions to the thread. You seem to think it perfectly appropriate to fire the ad-hominem attacks right back though, so now you're both at the same level.

Yeah, but at this point they aren't ad-hominem at all but are pretty much straight insults designed to look like accidental ad-hominems. tgd insulted my sacred honor by calling me a coward, so what else could I do? People here respect him so I could not simply ignore him without the label sticking.


thegreekdog wrote:I lied? Neoteny doesn't think I lied.*

You said that I always cowardly refuse to respond to bbs' posts attacking mine while you also know that I cannot see his posts. You're a liar.


Well, let's parse this out, shall we. I never said you refused to respond to BBS's posts attacking yours. I said you responded (which is the opposite of "refuse to respond"), generally, with ad hominems. I never called you cowardly. I didn't label you at all. I did not know you had him on foe. I don't keep track of who anyone has on foe.

So what now?
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby stahrgazer on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:56 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:Actually, that's common of any poster in the forum--to not ask for sources about a post you agree with, but demand sources for info in a post you disagree with. That doesn't make anyone a troll. In that case, BBS calling you a troll seems uncalled-for, however, since you were making positive contributions to the thread. You seem to think it perfectly appropriate to fire the ad-hominem attacks right back though, so now you're both at the same level.

Yeah, but at this point they aren't ad-hominem at all but are pretty much straight insults designed to look like accidental ad-hominems. tgd insulted my sacred honor by calling me a coward, so what else could I do? People here respect him so I could not simply ignore him without the label sticking.


thegreekdog wrote:I lied? Neoteny doesn't think I lied.*

You said that I always cowardly refuse to respond to bbs' posts attacking mine while you also know that I cannot see his posts. You're a liar.


Well, let's parse this out, shall we. I never said you refused to respond to BBS's posts attacking yours. I said you responded (which is the opposite of "refuse to respond"), generally, with ad hominems. I never called you cowardly. I didn't label you at all. I did not know you had him on foe. I don't keep track of who anyone has on foe.

So what now?


What now is, you two are sounding like Congress and Senate :lol:
aka Repubs vs Dems aka Hatfields vs. McCoys (I think repubs are hatfields?)
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:56 pm

Yes you did, page 32.

Juan_Bottom wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:At the risk of being accused of bias (although, really, I don't always agree with BBS), the history of BBS vs. Symmetry or BBS vs. JB goes something like this:

Step One: JB/Symmetry make a point.
Step Two: BBS attempts to refute.
Step Three: JB/Symmetry do not adequately refute BBS's refutation.
Step Four: BBS notes the inadequacy.
Step Five: JB/Symmetry accuse BBS of being... whatever... ad hominem attacks usually.

When BBS gets into discussions with others (say, for example, Neoteny or Haggis), this process does not happen.
Therefore, it's not BBS that's "an anything goes poster of late." If that was the case, there would be any number of forum regulars who we could sub in for JB or Symmetry. Perhaps it's you who is doing something wrong (I would say Step Five).

This is retarded. How insulting is this to me? YOU ALREADY KNOW and I HAVE ALREADY SAID IN THIS THREAD: I HAVE BBS ON FOE SO I CAN'T SEE HIS POSTS.

HOW THE f*ck DO I "INADEQUATELY REFUTE" SOME SHIT I CAN'T EVEN READ? That makes your whole post an outright lie. Take it back
.

Obviously the reason Sym and I are in a whole other category is because we're the only one's who fricking think before we post. Jesus.


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Page 2 you immediately posted after I said that I had BBS on foe. You were making fun of my post. And there are other threads that you've posted in where I said I had BBS on foe. Certainly you participated in the discussion when I foed him.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Feb 03, 2013 11:59 pm

Hypocrite GOP Congressman runs as anti-abortion, but wife had two abortions

I don't think that this is hypocritical, if he now thinks his past actions were wrong. But he hasn't said as much yet.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:52 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Yes you did, page 32.

Juan_Bottom wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:At the risk of being accused of bias (although, really, I don't always agree with BBS), the history of BBS vs. Symmetry or BBS vs. JB goes something like this:

Step One: JB/Symmetry make a point.
Step Two: BBS attempts to refute.
Step Three: JB/Symmetry do not adequately refute BBS's refutation.
Step Four: BBS notes the inadequacy.
Step Five: JB/Symmetry accuse BBS of being... whatever... ad hominem attacks usually.

When BBS gets into discussions with others (say, for example, Neoteny or Haggis), this process does not happen.
Therefore, it's not BBS that's "an anything goes poster of late." If that was the case, there would be any number of forum regulars who we could sub in for JB or Symmetry. Perhaps it's you who is doing something wrong (I would say Step Five).

This is retarded. How insulting is this to me? YOU ALREADY KNOW and I HAVE ALREADY SAID IN THIS THREAD: I HAVE BBS ON FOE SO I CAN'T SEE HIS POSTS.

HOW THE f*ck DO I "INADEQUATELY REFUTE" SOME SHIT I CAN'T EVEN READ? That makes your whole post an outright lie. Take it back
.

Obviously the reason Sym and I are in a whole other category is because we're the only one's who fricking think before we post. Jesus.


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177067
Page 2 you immediately posted after I said that I had BBS on foe. You were making fun of my post. And there are other threads that you've posted in where I said I had BBS on foe. Certainly you participated in the discussion when I foed him.


Perhaps if you could only read...

JB accusation: "You (TGD) said that I always cowardly refuse to respond to bbs' posts attacking mine while you (TGD) know that I cannot see his posts."

TGD response: "I never said you refused to respond to BBS's posts attacking yours. I said you responded (which is the opposite of "refuse to respond"), generally, with ad hominems. I never called you cowardly."

JB response #1: "[Y]ou immediately posted after I said that I had BBS on foe." The implication being that TGD knew that JB had BBS on foe.

TGD response to #1: I can only tell you that I didn't know that you had BBS on foe. Why would I lie about that? What have I possibly got to gain?

Apparently you've dropped the thought that I said you cowardly refuse to respond to BBS's posts.

In sum, you're going to lose this argument (unless you resort to ad hominems, and then you can parachute your way out again).
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:21 am

The Tea Party is racist against white men.

The 2010 elections saw Republican Nikki Haley win the governorship in South Carolina. She is the first woman ever elected to statewide office in South Carolina from either party and the first Indian-American to become governor. Republican Susana Martinez, governor of New Mexico, because the nation's first female Hispanic governor from either party and Republican Brian Sandoval became Nevada's first Hispanic governor ever.

In the 2010 Congressional elections, Republican Allen West became the first African-American Republican elected in Florida since a freed slave served two terms in the 1870s. Republican Tim Scott defeated Strom Thurmond's son (Strom Thurmond was a massive, proven racist) to become the first African-Americna elected from either party in South Carolina since Reconstruction. Republicans Bill Flores, Francisco Canseco, and Jaime Herrera (the first Latino ever elected to Congress from Washington state) were elected in 2010. And in the senate, Cuban-American Marco Rubio won.

In 2012, Tim Scott was named to a South Carolina senate seat.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby stahrgazer on Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:25 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Hypocrite GOP Congressman runs as anti-abortion, but wife had two abortions

I don't think that this is hypocritical, if he now thinks his past actions were wrong. But he hasn't said as much yet.


Excuse me, but it wasn't the man who had the abortion, was it? It's the woman's choice and should remain that way.
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Re: What is the Republican Party?

Postby spurgistan on Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:30 am

thegreekdog wrote:The Tea Party is racist against white men.

The 2010 elections saw Republican Nikki Haley win the governorship in South Carolina. She is the first woman ever elected to statewide office in South Carolina from either party and the first Indian-American to become governor. Republican Susana Martinez, governor of New Mexico, because the nation's first female Hispanic governor from either party and Republican Brian Sandoval became Nevada's first Hispanic governor ever.

In the 2010 Congressional elections, Republican Allen West became the first African-American Republican elected in Florida since a freed slave served two terms in the 1870s. Republican Tim Scott defeated Strom Thurmond's son (Strom Thurmond was a massive, proven racist) to become the first African-Americna elected from either party in South Carolina since Reconstruction. Republicans Bill Flores, Francisco Canseco, and Jaime Herrera (the first Latino ever elected to Congress from Washington state) were elected in 2010. And in the senate, Cuban-American Marco Rubio won.

In 2012, Tim Scott was named to a South Carolina senate seat.


In a related story, Essie Washington-Williams, who we might know as Strom Thurmond's half-black daughter, died this week. She deserved a better father.
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