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Should ya have to show ID when you vote?

Yes
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Kinda
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7%
IDK
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3%
Not Really
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5%
No
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Night Strike on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:06 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


Then why are you commenting on issues that have to do with US Constitutional rights? In the US, owning a gun is on an equal level as voting, speaking, following a religion, etc.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:08 pm

It's good to know Symmetry that your principles only apply to the rights that you think are rights......

How convenient
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:09 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


you don't. We are giving ID's away for free, so please stop with the lies.


Who's giving away IDs for free?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby kentington on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:11 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


you don't. We are giving ID's away for free, so please stop with the lies.


Who's giving away IDs for free?


That's what I want to know. The guy near me charges 20 bucks each. And they are very questionable, my wife's had a mustache on her picture.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Night Strike on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:12 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It's good to know Symmetry that your principles only apply to the rights that you think are rights......

How convenient


Which is exactly why we have a Constitution that is supposed to be adhered to at all times or until specifically amended: so people like Symmetry can't come along and arbitrarily remove rights from people.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:20 pm

Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.



In order for me to vote, I have to show my drivers license. Since I have to purchase a drivers license or any form of identification with a picture, then I am having to purchase my right to vote from the state--according to Symmetrian logic.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote!


Does my post seem absurd?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:22 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It's good to know Symmetry that your principles only apply to the rights that you think are rights......

How convenient


Which is exactly why we have a Constitution that is supposed to be adhered to at all times or until specifically amended: so people like Symmetry can't come along and arbitrarily remove rights from people.


Or interpreted, of course, and let's face it the right to own a gun is an interpretation of one amendment in the US. Interestingly, back when the Black Panthers were using the 2nd amendment to argue for the right to own guns, the NRA was strongly against all Americans owning guns. Funny that.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:24 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.



In order for me to vote, I have to show my drivers license. Since I have to purchase a drivers license or any form of identification with a picture, then I am having to purchase my right to vote from the state--according to Symmetrian logic.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote!


Does my post seem absurd?


Why should you have to purchase a license to vote?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:25 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


you don't. We are giving ID's away for free, so please stop with the lies.


Who's giving away IDs for free?


We are, Minnesota

The question that will be on the ballot in November reads: “Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to require all voters to present valid photo identification to vote and to require the state to provide free identification to eligible voters, effective July 1, 2013?”
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:32 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


you don't. We are giving ID's away for free, so please stop with the lies.


Who's giving away IDs for free?


We are, Minnesota

The question that will be on the ballot in November reads: “Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to require all voters to present valid photo identification to vote and to require the state to provide free identification to eligible voters, effective July 1, 2013?”


Kind of like Wisconsin? Didn't work out too well there.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:36 pm

Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.



In order for me to vote, I have to show my drivers license. Since I have to purchase a drivers license or any form of identification with a picture, then I am having to purchase my right to vote from the state--according to Symmetrian logic.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote!


Does my post seem absurd?


Why should you have to purchase a license to vote?


In order to prove I am who I say I am (if I wasn't then why would I say I am)?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:39 pm

But honestly, you shouldn't have to purchase a license in order to vote.
(but technically, everyone pays some amount and at least a promised service (registration for draft) in order to provide some kind of authentic proof of identity).



Election Day Voting

When you go to the polls to cast your vote in an election, be sure to take one of the following:

a driver's license;
a Louisiana Special ID; or
some other generally recognized picture ID that contains your name and signature.

You may get a free Louisiana Special ID at the Office of Motor Vehicles by showing your voter registration information card. If you have misplaced your voter registration information card, contact your registrar of voters for a new one.

Voters who have no picture ID may bring a utility bill, payroll check or government document that includes their name and address. The voter will have to sign an affidavit furnished by the Elections Division in order to vote.

http://www.sos.la.gov/tabid/151/default.aspx
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:42 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.



In order for me to vote, I have to show my drivers license. Since I have to purchase a drivers license or any form of identification with a picture, then I am having to purchase my right to vote from the state--according to Symmetrian logic.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote!


Does my post seem absurd?


Why should you have to purchase a license to vote?


In order to prove I am who I say I am (if I wasn't then why would I say I am)?


And you think you should have to purchase that ability? And carry it whenever you want to exercise a basic right?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:49 pm

In the ideal world, I shouldn't have to pay anything in order to prove my identity! (In the ideal world, I shouldn't have to pay anything to eat, and I should be paid $1,000,000 per year for writing on CC!) But that's being unrealistic because some people lie; therefore, you need to require that proper identification must be shown in order to vote. Otherwise, it would be easy to further corrupt the elections.


Which is why I don't understand the OP because LA already requires you to bring some form of identification in order to vote.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Symmetry on Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:22 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:In the ideal world, I shouldn't have to pay anything in order to prove my identity! (In the ideal world, I shouldn't have to pay anything to eat, and I should be paid $1,000,000 per year for writing on CC!) But that's being unrealistic because some people lie; therefore, you need to require that proper identification must be shown in order to vote. Otherwise, it would be easy to further corrupt the elections.


Which is why I don't understand the OP because LA already requires you to bring some form of identification in order to vote.


How's that working for providing ID to purchase alcohol? I understand that it merely fuels a booming trade in fake IDs. If the problem is that people are voting fraudulently, as you suggest, would they not be able to vote with fraudulent IDs?

What would be next? Registered fingerprints and iris scans?

All for a problem that is largely theoretical.
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