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Should ya have to show ID when you vote?

Yes
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Kinda
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IDK
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:39 am

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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:41 am

kentington wrote:
Your thread is about showing ID to vote?


It's about blocking votes. Showing ID is one of the methods used to do it, and it's been the main thing we've talk about through the whole thing. This is a conversation that is and should be held in that thread.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:45 am

1. IDs should be required to vote
2. IDs should be free
3. At the voting both, if a potential voter doesn't have an ID, they should tell said voter to get a free ID
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:46 am

IDs are required to vote.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:58 am

Phatscotty wrote:Image


According to this, only senior citizens and flamboyantly gay men support voter ID.

Also, the cripple was photoshopped into this picture.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 12:58 am

I still don't get this Voter ID issue.


Can someone please explain this to me???

Is PS clamoring for something which he doesn't understand?
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby kentington on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:02 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:I still don't get this Voter ID issue.


Can someone please explain this to me???

Is PS clamoring for something which he doesn't understand?


I don't know what is going on. Is this for a special voter voucher or just requiring regular ID to vote.

I didn't need an ID to vote at the last election they just asked for my name and confirmed my address, which I could see on the paper in front of them.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:09 am

In North Dakota you don't even need to register to vote. You just show up and if you look familiar, then you can vote.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2004/rpt/2004-R-0032.htm
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:11 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:I still don't get this Voter ID issue.


Can someone please explain this to me???

Is PS clamoring for something which he doesn't understand?


I don't get what you don't get.

I just wanted to make a poll, and add some color along the way
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:21 am

kentington wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:I still don't get this Voter ID issue.


Can someone please explain this to me???

Is PS clamoring for something which he doesn't understand?


I don't know what is going on. Is this for a special voter voucher or just requiring regular ID to vote.

I didn't need an ID to vote at the last election they just asked for my name and confirmed my address, which I could see on the paper in front of them.


No, it's not for a special voting ID. Just regular ID
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:43 am

This is a disastrous issue for Democrats to spend resources on and a slam-dunk for the GOP, non-issue though it may be. Democrats are never going to get traction with more than the 20% of the U.S. population that considers themselves strongly aligned with either of the two parties since the idea of not having any form of identification will be totally out of the frame of experience of 98% of the U.S. population, and the 2% for whom it will actually resonate are probably oblivious to the fact this issue is even being discussed. Policy debates are only successful if you can personalize the possible outcomes for the audience.

    This is the same reason Dennis Kucinich was never able to get any vegetarian issues inserted into the Democrat platform, there's no widely resonant story that can be crafted around them.

In any case, Scott, present a better break-down of "Yes" options in the poll, i.e.

(a) Yes, without exception
(b) Yes, but only if a free ID is provided when you originally register to vote
(c) Yes, but there should be an option for casting a provisional ballot if you don't have an ID
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:33 am

  • 25% of African Americans don't have photo IDs
  • Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democratic
  • There are .7 cases of Voter Impersonation/Fraud per state per year

Battleground states like Ohio have been decided by 2% margins in the past.
Sounds like common sense to me too. PS doesn't want Democrats voting in this election.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:40 am

JB, how many States allow someone to present other forms of ID that don't have a photo?

How many States provide $0.00 photo ID cards for voting?

What is the average amount of Voter impersonation/Fraud for those cases?

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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby stahrgazer on Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:14 am

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Symmetry wrote:Of course there is. Voting is a right. If you have to purchase an ID in order to vote, you're having to purchase your right to vote from the state.


If your argument is that you don't need ID because voting is a right, then the same goes for guns.....right?


Not really, owning a gun as a right is a peculiarity of the US. I don't consider it a right. A right to own something ain't the same as a right to vote, in any case.

You shouldn't have to purchase your vote.


And yet, the RIGHT to keep and bear arms is a constitutional amendment that preceded the RIGHT to vote for many citizens.

One reason folks should have to show identification in order to vote, is because violations of certain laws result in loss of that right to vote, so identification is necessary to compare the person standing there to the list of those who lost the right and did not yet get that right reinstated.

And no, the identification should not be "free" because that means everyone else is paying for that person's proof of validity.
---If someone loses a birth certificate and needs a replacement, they have to pay
---If someone needs a driver license, they have to pay
---id is useless without a photo, and photos cost more than just a piece of paper.
---Even just paper costs money, as does the salary of the person who is typing up the piece of paper

Not sure why it's such an issue, though. In many states, for example, Florida, a person must show some form of identification with a signature - although it does not necessarily have to be a photo i.d. In other states, the person must show some form of proof of residency, for example, a utility bill with their name on it.

Finally, most states already send a voter registration card to inform a person which voting precinct they should go to on election day.

On the other hand... so many states are encouraging vote by mail, that it makes absolutely no sense that someone can send in a mail ballot (no id, right?) and get it counted, but if they forgot their i.d. at home if they go to a precinct, they don't get to vote??!! How unfair is that?

Thus, while I would prefer people to have to show a photo identification, if the by-mail ballots will continue to be accepted, then no, I shouldn't have to show any form of id at all when I show up in person at a precinct; and since I did (have to show id) I plan to write my county registrar a protest letter.
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Re: Showing ID to Vote

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:56 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:[*]25% of African Americans don't have photo IDs.


1 - The Brennan Center's figures - which you're probably citing - have been strongly contradicted by more recent data.

2 - Even if the Brennan Center study was accepted, in 2008 35% of African Americans didn't vote. It's probably reasonable to assume that includes almost - if not all - of the population who live without ID. In other words, those who live without ID are in an extreme state of non-integration with society at large - likely due to some combination of endemic poverty, linguistic isolation and geographic disparity (e.g. the Gullah) - and it's an idyllic, white-bread fantasy to think abstract concepts like politics are even in their frame of awareness.
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