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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:35 pm

tzor wrote:It doesn't help that the western world pushes this notion of "democracy" which is realy putting the cart before the horse. As the Declaration of Independence states government is designed to ensure "rights" to the pepople and derive their power from the people's "consent." One can argue from there that the democratic republic is the best manner to express those rights and the consent of the people, but without the notion that government exists to secure the rights to all the people, democracy merely becomes another form of mob rule; in this case the "mob" being the majority of the moment.


Very good point.

tzor wrote:In most of the Muslim world, the ideal government is a theocracy.


I wouldn't QUITE agree with that. I think it's true of those who haven't experienced anything else (those who have lived under that law the majority of their lives). It's "what they know". It's comfortable. It fits them into their box, and they don't have to think too much that way. But I definitely would not say that it is ideal to those Muslims who have had the opportunity to live most of their lives in a westernized culture.

tzor wrote:Such things cannot be imposed from the outside; they have to own it and desire it for themselves.


This is absolutely true.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:03 pm

If we still had the color coded terror alert, would it be red right now?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Frigidus on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:22 pm

Phatscotty wrote:If we still had the color coded terror alert, would it be red right now?


I don't think we have too much to worry about on this side of the world.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:35 pm

Frigidus wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If we still had the color coded terror alert, would it be red right now?


I don't think we have too much to worry about on this side of the world.


Mind elaborating?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:34 am

Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
tkr4lf wrote:I think we can all agree to that.



Then why is Ron Paul not the GOP candidate? He was the only guy talking about this stuff.


Because a lot of the people that claim to be libertarians actually just mean "I want low tax rates". They see Paul's stances on the military, the war on drugs, his desire to end the federal reserve and social security, and all of a sudden they don't like libertarianism quite as much.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

and they "don't like it" because they realize that many of those things, contrary to the Phatt-view really contribute to real freedom for most Americans.

Its pretty hard to worry about freedom when your kids are not getting educated, you have trouble putting food on the table and you know that your kids are going to wind up paying for all these wonderful tax breaks out of THEIR pockets, never mind that they did not reap the benefits....

and, oh yeah... but hey, the fact that the 1% is the ONLY group that has done well, that the middle class has SLID amongst all these wonderful tax breaks is just irrelevant. The right wing "factoids" claim that the middle class will do better with more tax breaks and we should all just go ahead and believe it.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:30 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
tkr4lf wrote:I think we can all agree to that.



Then why is Ron Paul not the GOP candidate? He was the only guy talking about this stuff.


Because a lot of the people that claim to be libertarians actually just mean "I want low tax rates". They see Paul's stances on the military, the war on drugs, his desire to end the federal reserve and social security, and all of a sudden they don't like libertarianism quite as much.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

and they "don't like it" because they realize that many of those things, contrary to the Phatt-view really contribute to real freedom for most Americans.

Its pretty hard to worry about freedom when your kids are not getting educated, you have trouble putting food on the table and you know that your kids are going to wind up paying for all these wonderful tax breaks out of THEIR pockets, never mind that they did not reap the benefits....

and, oh yeah... but hey, the fact that the 1% is the ONLY group that has done well, that the middle class has SLID amongst all these wonderful tax breaks is just irrelevant. The right wing "factoids" claim that the middle class will do better with more tax breaks and we should all just go ahead and believe it.


I don't think you read Frigidus's post correctly. He was referring to conservative Republican primary voters (the ones who voted for Mitt Romney) and how those people don't want a reduced military or an end to the war on drugs and the federal reserve. He's not referring to your average Democrat. I'm not sure you truly (to borrow your word) understand libertarianism. It's not just about tax cuts.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Sep 19, 2012 9:19 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
tkr4lf wrote:I think we can all agree to that.



Then why is Ron Paul not the GOP candidate? He was the only guy talking about this stuff.


Because a lot of the people that claim to be libertarians actually just mean "I want low tax rates". They see Paul's stances on the military, the war on drugs, his desire to end the federal reserve and social security, and all of a sudden they don't like libertarianism quite as much.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

and they "don't like it" because they realize that many of those things, contrary to the Phatt-view really contribute to real freedom for most Americans.

Its pretty hard to worry about freedom when your kids are not getting educated, you have trouble putting food on the table and you know that your kids are going to wind up paying for all these wonderful tax breaks out of THEIR pockets, never mind that they did not reap the benefits....

and, oh yeah... but hey, the fact that the 1% is the ONLY group that has done well, that the middle class has SLID amongst all these wonderful tax breaks is just irrelevant. The right wing "factoids" claim that the middle class will do better with more tax breaks and we should all just go ahead and believe it.


I don't think you read Frigidus's post correctly. He was referring to conservative Republican primary voters (the ones who voted for Mitt Romney) and how those people don't want a reduced military or an end to the war on drugs and the federal reserve. He's not referring to your average Democrat. I'm not sure you truly (to borrow your word) understand libertarianism. It's not just about tax cuts.

I believe I read it quite well... People don't want to pay taxes, but they want the things those taxes provide.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:11 pm

Tell me Player....what is the Phatt-view?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby tzor on Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:28 pm

Phatscotty wrote:If we still had the color coded terror alert, would it be red right now?


Due to major changes in the composition of the government at the Federal Level, we are officially on CODE PINK at the moment. :twisted:
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby tzor on Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:37 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:I believe I read it quite well... People don't want to pay taxes, but they want the things those taxes provide.


I don't mind paying taxes. I object to excess Federal Government Spending.

Ironically, back in the late 80's I lived on long Island and worked in Manhattan. The city would charge me a non resident income tax. I mean it was pathetic, even in the late 80's. It was like a couple of bucks out of my paycheck. How dare they do that! I mean if you were going to tax me make it something meaningful.

The Federal Government is excellent at wasting money (there is a reason for this but such logical explantions would be wasted among the progressives here). Yet it doesn't mean that all money spent is useless; some money is actually used for a purpose. If only you could eliminate the waste and keep the effective spending you would ... but you can't so why bother.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Woodruff on Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:52 am

tzor wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If we still had the color coded terror alert, would it be red right now?


Due to major changes in the composition of the government at the Federal Level, we are officially on CODE PINK at the moment. :twisted:


So Victoria's Secret is in on the corporate boondoggling now. I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords!
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:10 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
tkr4lf wrote:I think we can all agree to that.



Then why is Ron Paul not the GOP candidate? He was the only guy talking about this stuff.


Because a lot of the people that claim to be libertarians actually just mean "I want low tax rates". They see Paul's stances on the military, the war on drugs, his desire to end the federal reserve and social security, and all of a sudden they don't like libertarianism quite as much.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

and they "don't like it" because they realize that many of those things, contrary to the Phatt-view really contribute to real freedom for most Americans.

Its pretty hard to worry about freedom when your kids are not getting educated, you have trouble putting food on the table and you know that your kids are going to wind up paying for all these wonderful tax breaks out of THEIR pockets, never mind that they did not reap the benefits....

and, oh yeah... but hey, the fact that the 1% is the ONLY group that has done well, that the middle class has SLID amongst all these wonderful tax breaks is just irrelevant. The right wing "factoids" claim that the middle class will do better with more tax breaks and we should all just go ahead and believe it.


I don't think you read Frigidus's post correctly. He was referring to conservative Republican primary voters (the ones who voted for Mitt Romney) and how those people don't want a reduced military or an end to the war on drugs and the federal reserve. He's not referring to your average Democrat. I'm not sure you truly (to borrow your word) understand libertarianism. It's not just about tax cuts.

I believe I read it quite well... People don't want to pay taxes, but they want the things those taxes provide.


Yeah, that's not what it says.
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby Nola_Lifer on Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:57 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Frigidus wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
Then why is Ron Paul not the GOP candidate? He was the only guy talking about this stuff.


Because a lot of the people that claim to be libertarians actually just mean "I want low tax rates". They see Paul's stances on the military, the war on drugs, his desire to end the federal reserve and social security, and all of a sudden they don't like libertarianism quite as much.

=D> =D> =D> =D>

and they "don't like it" because they realize that many of those things, contrary to the Phatt-view really contribute to real freedom for most Americans.

Its pretty hard to worry about freedom when your kids are not getting educated, you have trouble putting food on the table and you know that your kids are going to wind up paying for all these wonderful tax breaks out of THEIR pockets, never mind that they did not reap the benefits....

and, oh yeah... but hey, the fact that the 1% is the ONLY group that has done well, that the middle class has SLID amongst all these wonderful tax breaks is just irrelevant. The right wing "factoids" claim that the middle class will do better with more tax breaks and we should all just go ahead and believe it.


I don't think you read Frigidus's post correctly. He was referring to conservative Republican primary voters (the ones who voted for Mitt Romney) and how those people don't want a reduced military or an end to the war on drugs and the federal reserve. He's not referring to your average Democrat. I'm not sure you truly (to borrow your word) understand libertarianism. It's not just about tax cuts.

I believe I read it quite well... People don't want to pay taxes, but they want the things those taxes provide.


Yeah, that's not what it says.


WOW someone miss the boat on this one. :lol: :lol: :lol: I'd say there are plenty who are still asleep. Look at some on these forum who say they are staunch Ron Paul supporters but as soon as he doesn't have a chance it is Mitt this and Mitt that. Talk about fail. We have many god-fearing Christians who want to kill any Muslim or bomb their country into oblivion. There is an knowledge issue here. Shit there are even people in my family that I have to fight against because of the bull shit that they say and they call themselves Christians. :roll:
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Nola_Lifer wrote:WOW someone miss the boat on this one. I'd say there are plenty who are still asleep. Look at some on these forum who say they are staunch Ron Paul supporters but as soon as he doesn't have a chance it is Mitt this and Mitt that. Talk about fail. We have many god-fearing Christians who want to kill any Muslim or bomb their country into oblivion. There is an knowledge issue here. Shit there are even people in my family that I have to fight against because of the bull shit that they say and they call themselves Christians.


I'm pretty sure Player won't be voting for Romney.

As for me, I've made it pretty clear I'm voting for Gary Johnson.

So who are you talking about?
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Re: Pre 9-11 Thinking

Postby bedub1 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:45 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Are we in a deeper sleep now than we were on September 10th, 2001?

People Jumping from World Trade Center

NEVER forget


What we've "forgotten" is how to be a free nation.


I'll agree to that.



Unbelievably, me too.

The terrorist won already. They didn't manage to take away our freedom. We did it to ourselves. Between the NDAA, the TSA, the NSA spying on American's, we no longer have freedom. Who is worse than a terrorist? The person that reacts improperly and causes more damage than the terrorist ever could have imagined. In this instance, the NDAA, TSA, and NSA are all terrorist organizations/implementations.
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