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What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:50 am

After the event, we want to send an Open Letter to the church community all across the country urging them to realize that the Democrat Party is about to become the party of Christian persecution in America. Already they call us bigots and haters for not bowing to political correctness regarding same-sex marriage. They call us “Islamophobes” because we are concerned about Islamic radicalism and Sharia law. They say we hate women because we fight for the lives of unborn children. They are supporting the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the guise of the “Arab Spring.” Ask Israel about the Arab spring. Egypt has now become an enemy on their border. The long peace is over. Billions of tax payer dollars are being sent to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, while they torture Christians and burn down churches. These are the policies of the Democrat Party, polices of Christian persecution.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastor-offers-fiery-rebuke-of-fellow-blacks-end-your-slavish-devotion-to-the-democrat-party/
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby greenoaks on Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:00 am

being against same-sex marriage is not a Christian thing.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Neoteny on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:07 am

Being against religious law is sort of a weird thing.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:13 am

Neoteny wrote:Being against religious law is sort of a weird thing.


Please. The Constitution is a living, breathing document that needs to change with the times. The founders could not have anticipated that we'd be talking about the influence of religion on gay marriage laws when they drafted the first amendment.

I've always wanted to argue constitutionality of anti-gay marriage laws with a constitutional conservative like Night Strike. Bring it Night Strike! BRING IT!

Here's the scenario: A law banning gay marriage is passed. The people challenging the law bring up the establishment clause. How are they wrong?
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby chang50 on Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:25 am

Night Strike wrote:
After the event, we want to send an Open Letter to the church community all across the country urging them to realize that the Democrat Party is about to become the party of Christian persecution in America. Already they call us bigots and haters for not bowing to political correctness regarding same-sex marriage. They call us “Islamophobes” because we are concerned about Islamic radicalism and Sharia law. They say we hate women because we fight for the lives of unborn children. They are supporting the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the guise of the “Arab Spring.” Ask Israel about the Arab spring. Egypt has now become an enemy on their border. The long peace is over. Billions of tax payer dollars are being sent to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, while they torture Christians and burn down churches. These are the policies of the Democrat Party, polices of Christian persecution.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastor-offers-fiery-rebuke-of-fellow-blacks-end-your-slavish-devotion-to-the-democrat-party/


Judged from an international perspective they are moderate consevatives as opposed to the more extreme conservatism of the other main party in the US.There is no major left-wing party in the US by normal standards.I can imagine how nearly everyone appears to be a left-winger to you by the extreme and frankly paranoid views you have expressed here regularly.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:55 am

Night Strike wrote:
After the event, we want to send an Open Letter to the church community all across the country urging them to realize that the Democrat Party is about to become the party of Christian persecution in America. Already they call us bigots and haters for not bowing to political correctness regarding same-sex marriage. They call us “Islamophobes” because we are concerned about Islamic radicalism and Sharia law. They say we hate women because we fight for the lives of unborn children. They are supporting the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the guise of the “Arab Spring.” Ask Israel about the Arab spring. Egypt has now become an enemy on their border. The long peace is over. Billions of tax payer dollars are being sent to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, while they torture Christians and burn down churches. These are the policies of the Democrat Party, polices of Christian persecution.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastor-offers-fiery-rebuke-of-fellow-blacks-end-your-slavish-devotion-to-the-democrat-party/


The party of Christian persecution? Is this a for real thing, this belief in Christian persecution in the United States? Because all it makes me want to do is laugh at it.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:09 am

Here's Haaretz on Israeli-Egyptian relations.

Egypt appoints new envoy to Israel, ending fears of diplomatic downgrade

So kind of bullshit on that one too.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:36 am

Night Strike wrote:
After the event, we want to send an Open Letter to the church community all across the country urging them to realize that the Democrat Party is about to become the party of Christian persecution in America. Already they call us bigots and haters for not bowing to political correctness regarding same-sex marriage. They call us “Islamophobes” because we are concerned about Islamic radicalism and Sharia law. They say we hate women because we fight for the lives of unborn children. They are supporting the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the guise of the “Arab Spring.” Ask Israel about the Arab spring. Egypt has now become an enemy on their border. The long peace is over. Billions of tax payer dollars are being sent to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, while they torture Christians and burn down churches. These are the policies of the Democrat Party, polices of Christian persecution.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastor-offers-fiery-rebuke-of-fellow-blacks-end-your-slavish-devotion-to-the-democrat-party/


This is kinda why the GOP is gonna lose the White House. Expressing a concern about Sharia Law is a communications touchpoint that will resonate, and may convert, the handful of Constitution Party faithful. For independents, Libertarians and Democrats, it will just reframe the Republican Party as a band of wackos.

You don't go to a fancy dinner party with a bunch of strangers and talk about how you think your cousin is hot. It may be true, but it's just one of those things you keep to yourself. People who don't have a mental filter - who just let every thought that enters their head drop out onto the floor - usually don't have many friends.

    Most Americans seem to understand that advocating sending billions to the Bro'hood's Syria chapter - like Mitt Romney - is not different than advocating sending billions to the Bro'hood's Egypt chapter. So when the GOP groan about the Bro'hood it confuses people. The GOP could deposition the Democrats and win independents and Libertarians by countering Democrats Pro-War stance with an anti-war stance instead of an Ultra-Pro-War stance, but there are red lines the GOP won't cross.

    In 1856 the Democrat Party took a Pro-Slave stance and the Whig Party countered them with a Pro-Slave stance of its own, which is ridiculous. The Republicans came along with an Anti-Slave stance which guaranteed either the Democrats or Whigs would collapse. Republicanism is killing itself using the same strategy it used to kill Whiggism 150 years ago. It's extremely fascinating.

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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:36 am

Night Strike wrote:
After the event, we want to send an Open Letter to the church community all across the country urging them to realize that the Democrat Party is about to become the party of Christian persecution in America. Already they call us bigots and haters for not bowing to political correctness regarding same-sex marriage. They call us “Islamophobes” because we are concerned about Islamic radicalism and Sharia law. They say we hate women because we fight for the lives of unborn children. They are supporting the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt under the guise of the “Arab Spring.” Ask Israel about the Arab spring. Egypt has now become an enemy on their border. The long peace is over. Billions of tax payer dollars are being sent to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, while they torture Christians and burn down churches. These are the policies of the Democrat Party, polices of Christian persecution.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/pastor-offers-fiery-rebuke-of-fellow-blacks-end-your-slavish-devotion-to-the-democrat-party/

There has always been a distinction between what people are allowed to think and believe.. and what they are allowed to FORCE other people to do.

Strange how all of the above is about telling other people what to do, yet these people try to claim persecution for themselves.

You are persecuted when someone tells you you have to or cannot do as you believe. Saying you cannot dictate what others do is not persecution, its protection of the oppressed, and that goes particularly when the people being oppressed are those you dislike.

I may dislike their arguments, way of living, but I will fight for their right to live it and say it.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:39 am

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The party of Christian persecution? Is this a for real thing, this belief in Christian persecution in the United States? Because all it makes me want to do is laugh at it.

Sadly, it is now being preached in quite a few churches, and not just those that also think the Earth is only 6000 years old, either. Such is being stated in many Roman Catholic churches (though that varies..and apparently the Roman Catholic membership is rebelling, to a point).

In fact there was a recent pronouncement by Roman Catholic Bishops in the US about how Obama is attacking freedom of religion for forcing companies to provide insurance for employees, among other issues.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:59 pm

Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:09 pm

Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


If you're employing people secularly, secular laws should be followed.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:10 pm

Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.

I didn't know businesses could be believers. This is fascinating, please tell me more about how an abstract, legal construct achieves sentience and sapience and develops religious beliefs.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Frigidus on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:28 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Being against religious law is sort of a weird thing.


Please. The Constitution is a living, breathing document that needs to change with the times. The founders could not have anticipated that we'd be talking about the influence of religion on gay marriage laws when they drafted the first amendment.

I've always wanted to argue constitutionality of anti-gay marriage laws with a constitutional conservative like Night Strike. Bring it Night Strike! BRING IT!

Here's the scenario: A law banning gay marriage is passed. The people challenging the law bring up the establishment clause. How are they wrong?


I've had that conversation with him before.

Night Strike wrote:
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Night Strike wrote:Actually, Christianity specifically speaks against homosexual activities and actions. However, that still doesn't indicate how rights are being violated by barring same-sex marriage.


Night Strike...I don't know if you just missed this twice or are straight up ignoring it, but the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that marriage is a right. I'm going to post it one more time.

The United States Supreme Court wrote:Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.... To deny this fundamental freedom on so unsupportable a basis as the racial classifications embodied in these statutes, classifications so directly subversive of the principle of equality at the heart of the Fourteenth Amendment, is surely to deprive all the State's citizens of liberty without due process of law. The Fourteenth Amendment requires that the freedom of choice to marry not be restricted by invidious racial discrimination. Under our Constitution, the freedom to marry, or not marry, a person of another race resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the State.


Whether or not you are in favor of gay marriage, banning it is just flat out putting restrictions on a, and I quote, "basic civil right of man".


Then that statement by the Supreme Court was wrong (wouldn't be the first time - see Roe v. Wade and Kelo v. New London for other examples). Marriage cannot be a right because you are forcing someone to give up their rights to honor yours. There is only one Constitutional right that allows you to take away the freedoms of someone else: the right to a trial by jury.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:42 pm

Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.

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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:47 pm

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Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:51 pm

Night Strike wrote:
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Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.


Awlaki never raised arms against the US. Obama killed him because of statements he made that disagreed with US foreign policy. What's to keep Obama from executing people who disagree with tax policy if that's okay?
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:10 pm

US Declaration of Independence wrote: He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:37 pm

Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 pm

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Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:46 pm

The Democrat Party prefers a web of dependency over a true safety net:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/03/we_fund_dependency_115648.html
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:51 pm

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Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate?


They should never have been exempted, in my opinion. Again, this is not even a question, in my mind.

Night Strike wrote:This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others.


You believe that it's intentionally designed to purposefully violate freedoms?

Night Strike wrote:Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


Freedom of religion DOES mean you only have that freedom when you're acting on your actual religion. Running a business is not acting on your actual religion. It is not a requirement of your religion to run a business.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not exempted now. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.

Baylor PhDs are con jobs.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:53 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.
Baylor PhDs are con jobs.


They gotta support their basketball team somehow!
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:59 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.
Baylor PhDs are con jobs.


They gotta support their basketball team somehow!


It really pissed me off- it was shorter than my master's thesis and wasn't even checked for errors. Dude gets to call himself a doctor for that? I had to get my department to pay for the bloody thing based on the abstract, and he didn't even finish it.

I can rant for a long time at how disappointed I was. One of the endnotes was literally "put details here later". And it's not as if there were many endnotes.

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