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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:47 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:51 pm

Night Strike wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.


Awlaki never raised arms against the US. Obama killed him because of statements he made that disagreed with US foreign policy. What's to keep Obama from executing people who disagree with tax policy if that's okay?
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:10 pm

US Declaration of Independence wrote: He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:37 pm

Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:46 pm

The Democrat Party prefers a web of dependency over a true safety net:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts.

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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:51 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate?


They should never have been exempted, in my opinion. Again, this is not even a question, in my mind.

Night Strike wrote:This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others.


You believe that it's intentionally designed to purposefully violate freedoms?

Night Strike wrote:Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


Freedom of religion DOES mean you only have that freedom when you're acting on your actual religion. Running a business is not acting on your actual religion. It is not a requirement of your religion to run a business.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not exempted now. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.

Baylor PhDs are con jobs.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:53 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.
Baylor PhDs are con jobs.


They gotta support their basketball team somehow!
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:59 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


I was not aware, but I hope they are not. I've been an unfortunate recipient of what is considered a standard PhD thesis from an American Christian University in the past, and they could do with some regulation.
Baylor PhDs are con jobs.


They gotta support their basketball team somehow!


It really pissed me off- it was shorter than my master's thesis and wasn't even checked for errors. Dude gets to call himself a doctor for that? I had to get my department to pay for the bloody thing based on the abstract, and he didn't even finish it.

I can rant for a long time at how disappointed I was. One of the endnotes was literally "put details here later". And it's not as if there were many endnotes.

Dr. Evan, you ain't a doctor, wherever you are.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:03 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.


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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:23 pm

Night Strike... seriously dude. This is preposterous.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:36 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
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Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.


Awlaki never raised arms against the US. Obama killed him because of statements he made that disagreed with US foreign policy. What's to keep Obama from executing people who disagree with tax policy if that's okay?


Was al-awlaki a part of the Muslim Brotherhood?
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:42 am

Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Obama has directly attacked Life by executing US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) without due process.

The right to Life is guaranteed by the US Declaration of Independence which is 15 years older than the current Constitution.

If Republicans are willing only to combat Obama's secondary and tertiary transgressions but leave him unchallenged on his primacy violations then the legitimacy of their concern on any of these topics is suspect.


So do you believe that all the deaths in the civil war were also violations of the right to life? Al-Awlaki chose to wage war against the United States in the name of Islam. The US military has been given authority to wage war against those who would do acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. This wasn't an execution.


Awlaki never raised arms against the US. Obama killed him because of statements he made that disagreed with US foreign policy. What's to keep Obama from executing people who disagree with tax policy if that's okay?


Was al-awlaki a part of the Muslim Brotherhood?


That's unlikely. He was a Wahhabist, like the kings of Saudi Arabia to whom the US sells weapons.

He was also the subject of at least three known US criminal investigations from 2002 to 2010, none of which the US was able to even get a Grand Jury indictment on. IIRC that was another in the list of complaints in the US Declaration of Independence; that the British government would impose extrajudicial punishment when it wasn't able to secure criminal convictions in the normal courts. (Probably a little ironic Awlaki's Ph.D. was out of George Washington University.)
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby spurgistan on Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:19 am

Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.


Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:21 am

spurgistan wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet)

lolz


You're missing a ")" in your link, apparently.

And I'm not sure why you're surprised that's exactly what Night Strike is trying to do. It fits his agenda perfectly.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby spurgistan on Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:01 am

I was mostly amused that there's a wiki for "Democrat Party," and not just some redirect to the Democratic Party.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Nobunaga on Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:54 pm

thegreekdog wrote:Night Strike... seriously dude. This is preposterous.


... I realize you're not talking to me, sorry, but what post was this a reaction to, Greek?

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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:26 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Obama has directly attacked freedom of religion by forcing all employers to provide free birth control.


Once again, I will point out to you that IT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT OF YOUR RELIGION TO RUN A BUSINESS. Therefore, if it is not a requirement of your religion to run a business, this IS NOT AN ATTACK AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. My God, this isn't a difficult concept. I REALLY don't understand how someone who CLAIMS to be a strict Constitutionalist can't understand this.


Did you know that Christian Universities and Bible publishers that have always been granted religious exemptions same as churches under other legislation are not exempted from this mandate? They are no longer "religious enough". This is a mandate to push a social agenda and to violate the freedoms of others. Furthermore, no person can be forced to give up their constitutional rights simply because they are engaged in the public sphere. Freedom of religion does not mean you only have that freedom when you're acting privately.

And, according to you, the freedom of the employees just does not matter.. becuase the point is that these groups don't just EMPLOY people who have agreed to follow their religion. So, the force is that these employers are saying "if you want to work for me, you have to follow MY religious dictates". That's OK if its a church.. not if it is a store or school that wants to promote itself as religious.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:32 pm

Symmetry wrote:
It really pissed me off- it was shorter than my master's thesis and wasn't even checked for errors. Dude gets to call himself a doctor for that? I had to get my department to pay for the bloody thing based on the abstract, and he didn't even finish it.

I can rant for a long time at how disappointed I was. One of the endnotes was literally "put details here later". And it's not as if there were many endnotes.

Dr. Evan, you ain't a doctor, wherever you are.

More of this to come.. more to come since the idea of publically funded education is just so ... restrictive.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:33 pm

Night Strike wrote:The Democrat Party prefers a web of dependency over a true safety net:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/03/we_fund_dependency_115648.html

and how did you magically decide that this was the fault of Democrats?
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Woodruff on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:41 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Night Strike... seriously dude. This is preposterous.


... I realize you're not talking to me, sorry, but what post was this a reaction to, Greek?
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I hope thegreekdog will correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect he's referring to the idea of wholesale Christian persecution in the United States.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby Nobunaga on Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:47 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:The Democrat Party prefers a web of dependency over a true safety net:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/03/we_fund_dependency_115648.html

and how did you magically decide that this was the fault of Democrats?


... I keep butting in... maybe I should receive a warning...

... It's called Plantation Politics, Player. Dependency creates voters. Look it up. I've told you this same thing at least three times... You want the book recommendations again?

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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:09 pm

Nobunaga wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Night Strike... seriously dude. This is preposterous.


... I realize you're not talking to me, sorry, but what post was this a reaction to, Greek?

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That there is an attack on Christianity in the United States by the government.

There are too many Christians who vote for that to be considered.
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Re: What is the Democrat Party?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:26 am

Nobunaga wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:The Democrat Party prefers a web of dependency over a true safety net:

"First I went to the Manhattan Jobs Center and asked, "Can I get help finding a job?" They told me they don't do that. 'We sign people up for food stamps.' I tried another jobs center. They told me to enroll for unemployment benefits."

So the "jobs" centers help people get handouts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/10/03/we_fund_dependency_115648.html

and how did you magically decide that this was the fault of Democrats?


... I keep butting in... maybe I should receive a warning...

... It's called Plantation Politics, Player. Dependency creates voters. Look it up. I've told you this same thing at least three times... You want the book recommendations again?

...


I'm down for book recommendations on Plantation Politics.

I've always wondered about its effectiveness, since IIRC voters within the lowest income brackets are least likely to vote, even after throwing lots of money at them. I've generally considered that kind of spending to induce more people from not rioting during harsh times.
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