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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:41 pm

I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:43 pm

Biden is gettin his ass whooped! All he has done is sit there and look stupid, smiling and laughing, as if his only tactic is to make it sound like the Tea Party genius next to him is a 3rd grader....

I think this is the knockout blow that puts Romney over the top
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Biden is gettin his ass whooped! All he has done is sit there and look stupid, smiling and laughing, as if his only tactic is to make it sound like the Tea Party genius next to him is a 3rd grader....

I think this is the knockout blow that puts Romney over the top


Somehow, I don't find you a credible source.

I think it's been a good debate. And one thing I'll say for both of these guys is that they both seem FAR MORE PERSONABLE than either Obama or Romney did.

I think that to this point, Biden is doing better, but I don't think Ryan has done badly either.

The one area that Biden has really pissed me off, though, is that he KEEPS FUCKING INTERRUPTING! Stop that shit, Joe Biden. f*ck, man. It's disrespectful.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:53 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.


what are some of the strongest points Biden made?
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:01 pm

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patrickaa317 wrote:I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.


what are some of the strongest points Biden made?


That he is willing to call out Ryan and Ryan sits back and takes it.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:04 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
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patrickaa317 wrote:I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.


what are some of the strongest points Biden made?


That he is willing to call out Ryan and Ryan sits back and takes it.


so just the overall posturing and being more aggressive?

My favorite Biden moment is when he blamed the recession on the war in Iraq, but seems to think that real estate had nothing to do with it....

Very dishonest
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:06 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.


what are some of the strongest points Biden made?


That he is willing to call out Ryan and Ryan sits back and takes it.


so just the overall posturing and being more aggressive?


I would have said yes but I'm 37 minutes into it now and Biden is coming across as more of a douche by sitting there chuckling at every answer Ryan gives.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:07 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I'm about 20 minutes in (queued up on the trusty old DVR) and Biden is pretty much taking Ryan to school. Ryan needs to start calling him out where he can.


what are some of the strongest points Biden made?


That he is willing to call out Ryan and Ryan sits back and takes it.


so just the overall posturing and being more aggressive?


I would have said yes but I'm 37 minutes into it now and Biden is coming across as more of a douche by sitting there chuckling at every answer Ryan gives.


Yup! That is what I have been noticing! But I also hear you in that many times I wish Ryan would have had a better comeback to Biden, like the example I edited into the previous post, but not in time
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:08 pm

Woodruff wrote:The one area that Biden has really pissed me off, though, is that he KEEPS FUCKING INTERRUPTING! Stop that shit, Joe Biden. f*ck, man. It's disrespectful.



This +10
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby redhedge47 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:08 pm

its more that Biden is making a complete fool of himself, and the mod has a clear bias and I really am starting to hate joe biden
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:08 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Very dishonest


But you seemed to like that with Romney in the Presidential debate...
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Nobunaga on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:14 pm

... I like Biden more now than I ever have.

... I hate his party's policies, but this guy pushes hard. He grabbed the reigns and is driving the wagon. Ryan's sitting in the back, trying to get an argument in.

... So he's a bit thick, and very gaff-prone... big deal. I can honestly say that I respect this man. A bit of a revelation.

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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Nobunaga on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:18 pm

... He's getting beaten up a little on twitter for laughing all the time...

... But it seems to be working for him.

... Ryan needs to grow a pair here. Seriously.

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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:23 pm

redhedge47 wrote:its more that Biden is making a complete fool of himself, and the mod has a clear bias and I really am starting to hate joe biden


Did you know Obama was at the moderators wedding?
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:28 pm

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redhedge47 wrote:its more that Biden is making a complete fool of himself, and the mod has a clear bias and I really am starting to hate joe biden


Did you know Obama was at the moderators wedding?


And now we have the new "SOROS!!!!". The moderator hasn't been particularly biased, no. Anyone seeing much of a bias here is blinded by their own irrationality.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:32 pm

God Bless you Paul Ryan
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby patrickaa317 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:34 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:
redhedge47 wrote:its more that Biden is making a complete fool of himself, and the mod has a clear bias and I really am starting to hate joe biden


Did you know Obama was at the moderators wedding?


And now we have the new "SOROS!!!!". The moderator hasn't been particularly biased, no. Anyone seeing much of a bias here is blinded by their own irrationality.


In all fairness, there have to be at least 1,000 people that could moderate where none of the four candidates attended their wedding.

However, I will agree that she is being fairly unbiased.

Ryan really needs to tell Biden to stop laughing, shut up, and wait his turn.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Woodruff on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:35 pm

Damn VP Debate...I was apparently missing a hell of a baseball game!
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:36 pm

Who do you guys think won?

+1 for Paul Ryan here

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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby MegaProphet on Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:02 pm

I liked this debate much better than the last. I think the moderator did a good job keeping them on topic and asked some good questions. I feel I understand the candidates positions better. I also quite enjoyed Biden's Jim Halpert moments.

Why isn't this a separate thread? It'd make it easier to navigate
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Night Strike on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:40 pm

Some of my comments from the debate:

How does a new governmental policy show that you care for people?

How do you cut over payments in Medicare when they're currently underpaid?

I didn't know capital gains was a loophole.

During a 90 minute debate, Joe Biden made 96 interruptions while Paul Ryan had only 6.

And the perfect comment that needs used as the intro to a commercial was when Biden said "I always mean what I say".
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:46 pm

:lol: Is it possible for Biden to look any more like he is completely full of shit? :lol:

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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

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Half of all debate watchers questioned in the poll said the showdown didn't make them more likely to vote for either of the candidates' bosses, 28% said the debate made them more likely to vote for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and 21% said the faceoff made them more likely to vote to re-elect President Barack Obama.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Ray Rider on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:59 am

It was good, hard fought debate; the moderator did an excellent job and both candidates held their ground without giving up an inch. Biden at times appeared like an arrogant intimidator who wasn't serious about important issues, especially when he was constantly laughing as if the whole thing was a joke; however he also appeared to be a strong, able, experienced leader (although obviously I disagree with him on the majority of his positions). Ryan at times appeared to struggle with clearly explaining his arguments and at times seemed to avoid going into sufficient detail on policy issues (such as where they would make up for the 20% tax cut); however he also appeared to be a confident, knowledgeable leader with an honest character.

I doubt that this debate will change anyone's minds about who they're voting for. I still hold that if I were an American, I'd vote 3rd party (Gary Johnson). Obama has been a total failure over the last 4 years but Romney still doesn't offer substantial change...and even if you believed in the policies he offers, he waffles on his positions so much that you can't guarantee that he'll follow through on them anyway. At a time like this, a third party offering a different, new perspective on the serious problems currently facing the US is what is needed.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby oVo on Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:42 am

Phatscotty wrote:Who do you guys think won?

Biden mopped the floor with him... it wasn't about being assertive or rude,
the facts were behind Joe even with his disconcerting smile.
Eddie Munster is a numbers kind of guy and he failed to produce
them to make his point, with the exception of "The Five Things"
a Republican White House intends to do to make it fix things...
whatever that means. It's a secret plan that has yet to be revealed.

BUT... the centrifuges in Iran are "spinning faster now."

In the first debate Romney claimed he would create 9,000,000 new jobs
and tonight Ryan upped the ante to 12,000,000.

Statements on abortion/contraception and Supreme Court/Roe v Wade.
Give the Government control over your choices or lack of them,
even though it should not be a religious based decision?
Not all Americans share the GOPs beliefs.

IF I vote for Romney will he foot the bill for their college education?
Mitt spent $45 million of his own money in his failed Presidential bid
against Bush. Since he has much more in his offshore accounts than
Obama, Biden and Ryan combined I expect him to be generous with
his donations to charities.
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