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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:12 pm

Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


Your sig is a gif of a comic book character from an action movie driving around in a taxi. Headlined "The Wet Nurse Rises".

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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate!

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:05 pm

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I just don't understand this kind of thing. Why would you focus on one group's lies and not the other group's lies? For example, Joe Biden indicated that he did not vote for either war, when he did. The vice president also indicated the $5 trillion tax cut in the Romney plan, which is completely misleading.

I thought Biden won the debate because he was way more assertive and in control. Biden had better one-liners. Ryan is too much of a figures guy. I also didn't like Ryan's cadence for some reason. He sounded like he was a 10 year old. The moderating was great.


I'm not speaking ill of you per say, but when we've been reduced to discussing the relative quality of a debate in terms of rhetoric or one-sided criticism, then... what does that indicate about these viewers?


Oh, I agree. I would prefer an actual debate, similar to what happens in interscholastic debates in high school. There is one issue (or two). One side speaks (8 minutes), the other side asks questions (3 minutes), the second side speaks (8 minutes), the first team asks questions (3 minutes), rebuttal time for each (5 minutes each), done. This would allow us to understand the issues and positions better than rhetoric, one-liners, and the flags on lapels.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Ray Rider on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:24 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


Your sig is a gif of a comic book character from an action movie driving around in a taxi. Headlined "The Wet Nurse Rises".

Just thought I'd point that out.

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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:33 pm

Ray Rider wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


Your sig is a gif of a comic book character from an action movie driving around in a taxi. Headlined "The Wet Nurse Rises".

Just thought I'd point that out.

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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:44 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


Your sig is a gif of a comic book character from an action movie driving around in a taxi. Headlined "The Wet Nurse Rises".

Just thought I'd point that out.


Dodge King much?

A taxi huh? Playing Symmetry's little game, that means that since it's a Cop car and not a taxi, I win the debate and you are proven dead wrong!? :lol:

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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:54 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


Your sig is a gif of a comic book character from an action movie driving around in a taxi. Headlined "The Wet Nurse Rises".

Just thought I'd point that out.


Dodge King much?

A taxi huh? Playing Symmetry's little game, that means that since it's a Cop car and not a taxi, I win the debate and you are proven dead wrong!? :lol:

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He can't. Sym's an avatarist.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:03 am

luns101 wrote:Most of the substance in this debate was trivialized or overshadowed by the stupid, condescending antics by Biden. Well that, and the constant interrupting. I thought Biden burned Ryan pretty well over requests for stimulus $$, and Ryan looked more competent on Afghanistan.


Are you kidding? Ryan looked completely retarded when it came to discussing Afghanistan. He argued that we should have put more Americans on the front line during the fighting season instead of replacing those Americans with the trained Afgahn security force. I can't believe it. Why would that be an argument at all? Why are we even training the Afgahns Ryan? Why?


Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


This is exactly what Romney did in the last debate, 27 lies in 35 minutes, and you praised him for it.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:05 am

luns101 wrote:Most of the substance in this debate was trivialized or overshadowed by the stupid, condescending antics by Biden. Well that, and the constant interrupting. I thought Biden burned Ryan pretty well over requests for stimulus $$, and Ryan looked more competent on Afghanistan.


Are you kidding? Ryan looked completely retarded when it came to discussing Afghanistan. He argued that we should have put more Americans on the front line during the fighting season instead of replacing those Americans with the trained Afgahn security force. I can't believe it. Why would that be an argument at all? Why are we even training the Afgahns Ryan? Why?

Ryan got burned a few times, IMHO. Particularly over Abortion.


Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


This is exactly what Romney did in the last debate, 27 lies in 35 minutes, and you praised him for it.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Night Strike on Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:10 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:This is exactly what Romney did in the last debate, 27 lies in 35 minutes, and you praised him for it.


What lies?
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:31 am

I made an inconsequential mistake there, because I was speaking from memory. The actual line, which was everywhere, was 27 lies in 38 minutes. You can google it, it's everywhere.

Some people are being stupidly polite and calling them "myths." But saying something that's not true is not what "Myth" means.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Night Strike on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:01 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:I made an inconsequential mistake there, because I was speaking from memory. The actual line, which was everywhere, was 27 lies in 38 minutes. You can google it, it's everywhere.

Some people are being stupidly polite and calling them "myths." But saying something that's not true is not what "Myth" means.


So what statements were lies?
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:09 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
luns101 wrote:Most of the substance in this debate was trivialized or overshadowed by the stupid, condescending antics by Biden. Well that, and the constant interrupting. I thought Biden burned Ryan pretty well over requests for stimulus $$, and Ryan looked more competent on Afghanistan.


Are you kidding? Ryan looked completely retarded when it came to discussing Afghanistan. He argued that we should have put more Americans on the front line during the fighting season instead of replacing those Americans with the trained Afgahn security force. I can't believe it. Why would that be an argument at all? Why are we even training the Afgahns Ryan? Why?


Phatscotty wrote:If the debate were an asshole contest, then yes, Biden mopped the floor with Ryan. However, it was a debate, and part of what some call "mopping the floor" was due to Ryan respecting the office of VP, and sure some was due to inexperience in prime-time debates. But Ryan did not screw up, while Biden was lying out of his ass and acting like a 10 year old.

The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


This is exactly what Romney did in the last debate, 27 lies in 35 minutes, and you praised him for it.


Saying Biden did the same thing Romney did is a stretch. I mean, sure it's in the ballpark that both of them tried to take the upper hand and be in control, but Romney did it with class and style, Biden did it by acting like a child and lookin like a clown.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:33 pm

Yeah, that's not partisan politics at all.

Yeah, no; It's a very niche-oriented point of view.

Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.

When in our history did we decide that as a nation, we need to be respectful to someone who's lying to our face? Because I'll tell you that the politicians who founded this country did indeed scoff, jeer, smirk, hiss, and boo anyone they knew to be lying. You want to talk about class and style, how about having the class to not go on national television to lie to us with the grace of a used-car salesman.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:37 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Yeah, that's not partisan politics at all.

Yeah, no; It's a very niche-oriented point of view.

Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.

When in our history did we decide that as a nation, we need to be respectful to someone who's lying to our face? Because I'll tell you that the politicians who founded this country did indeed scoff, jeer, smirk, hiss, and boo anyone they knew to be lying. You want to talk about class and style, how about having the class to not go on national television to lie to us with the grace of a used-car salesman.


They all lie. Does that mean, by your own logic, you won't be voting?
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:41 pm

That's not logic Phatscotty. I never said any of what you're implying.

Not everyone lies Phatscotty.
You can see above where I got an unimportant fact a little befuddled (38 minutes), but that happens when you are drawing on your own memory. It's understandable to anyone. But on the other hand Romney told a lie every 90 seconds. That's not getting the facts mixed up a little bit, that's believing that the facts are irrelevant to your argument. And you know what? Romney is right. The facts are irrelevant. You've thrown your support for his reassuring lies.
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