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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Night Strike on Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:48 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.


What lies did Romney tell? You still haven't shared them.

And we know Biden was an extremely rude liar in his "debate". He made over 80 interruptions and told some whopper of lies such as not knowing the Benghazi consulate had requested additional security.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:03 pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Biden saying he voted against the wars, and building his BS case that the wars are the cause of the recession, but not real estate or 100 other things, when he actually did vote for the wars..... I don't see how anyone can makes a case against Romney for lying.

I'm not saying every single word Romney said was true, or that me or anyone else could possibly know or not, but I am saying Biden's lies are so HUGE and OBVIOUS and CRAZY, Biden's lies suck all the oxygen out of the room

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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby MeDeFe on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:16 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.

What lies did Romney tell? You still haven't shared them.

It took me all of 10 seconds to find a list of them.

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If you want the links so you can check out their sources for the repudiations, go here: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/04/958801/at-last-nights-debate-romney-told-27-myths-in-38-minutes/
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:34 pm

Think Progress? hehe

I suppose this is where someone posts a FOX news segment right?

Incredible bias vs incredible bias is what we already have and do not need anymore of
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Night Strike on Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:44 pm

Because thinkprogress.org is unbiased? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Basically every single one of those tax claims by Obama have already been proven false, even by Obama's own campaign people. The $5 trillion number assumes that exactly zero dollars of deductions are removed from the system, and raising rates on the middle class also assumes that scenario takes place. Both claims have been refuted by the people who put out the original study. Furthermore, this idea that tax cuts add to the deficit and must be offset is ludicrous. Only spending is supposed to be offset as only spending adds to the deficit. Cut federal spending to decrease the deficit and flatten the tax code to increase revenues to the federal government.

Drilling has basically stayed flat under Obama, with the only increases coming in improved yields instead of any actual new drilling on federal lands. Increases have only come from private lands because the administration has blocked new drilling on federal lands.

This claim by your "factchecker" has already been proven as absolutely ludicrous: "There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction."

How are there overpayments under Medicare when there have to be doctor-fix bills passed to make sure doctors get enough money from treating Medicare patients? Furthermore, how will beneficiaries be completely unharmed when doctors and hospitals get less money for the work they do? All those doctors will simply keep seeing those patients and providing those treatments without adequate compensation? If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property in Kansas to sell you. By the way, I've also disproven the "attack" on Paul Ryan's plan keeping those cuts: he has to either specifically change any spending laws that have already been passed or assume that they will be in effect when he writes a new budget. That doesn't assume he wants those cuts to take place.

Pretty much everything else is simple disagreements with plans instead of "correcting" things that are "lies".
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby comic boy on Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:58 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Think Progress? hehe

I suppose this is where someone posts a FOX news segment right?

Incredible bias vs incredible bias is what we already have and do not need anymore of


You want to erradicate incredible bias , simple , first you stop posting then second you get NS to do the same.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Ray Rider on Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:29 am

You're all looking pretty ridiculous by pointing out the half-truths, twisted facts, and lies spoken by the leader of the opposing camp while doing your best to pretend your favourite politician never does the same.

And Comicboy, it doesn't help to tell people to shut up who disagree with you. That might've worked in kindergarten, but we're all adults here and if your position can't stand up when faced with an opposing viewpoint, it's probly time for you to rethink your position.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby thegreekdog on Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:16 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Yeah, that's not partisan politics at all.

Yeah, no; It's a very niche-oriented point of view.

Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.

When in our history did we decide that as a nation, we need to be respectful to someone who's lying to our face? Because I'll tell you that the politicians who founded this country did indeed scoff, jeer, smirk, hiss, and boo anyone they knew to be lying. You want to talk about class and style, how about having the class to not go on national television to lie to us with the grace of a used-car salesman.


Since you're not being partisan, how many times did Joe Biden lie?
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby comic boy on Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:48 am

Ray Rider wrote:You're all looking pretty ridiculous by pointing out the half-truths, twisted facts, and lies spoken by the leader of the opposing camp while doing your best to pretend your favourite politician never does the same.

And Comicboy, it doesn't help to tell people to shut up who disagree with you. That might've worked in kindergarten, but we're all adults here and if your position can't stand up when faced with an opposing viewpoint, it's probly time for you to rethink your position.


Ray I agree with your first point which is why I haven't been involved in this pissing contest, sort of makes your second point a tad odd though. Of course you have a perfect right to pretend I told somebody to shut up , to pretend that highlighting hypocrisy equates to childish name calling , or you could even rein in your own bias and follow your own advice :D
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:29 am

thegreekdog wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Yeah, that's not partisan politics at all.

Yeah, no; It's a very niche-oriented point of view.

Romney, your guy, interrupted and told 27 lies in 38 minutes. He lied the whole time. Yet you support him.
Biden, my man, interrupted and scoffed at a liar.

When in our history did we decide that as a nation, we need to be respectful to someone who's lying to our face? Because I'll tell you that the politicians who founded this country did indeed scoff, jeer, smirk, hiss, and boo anyone they knew to be lying. You want to talk about class and style, how about having the class to not go on national television to lie to us with the grace of a used-car salesman.


Since you're not being partisan, how many times did Joe Biden lie?


I'll happily go on record as saying that I only counted 1 TIME that Biden did not tell the truth. And when I went back over Fact-Check.org's recap of the debate, I wasn't so sure Biden didn't just misinterpret purposely it to make a point to Ryan. However, Ryan's name is all over that fact-check sheet for lying, or getting his sh*t wrong.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Woodruff on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Oh yeah, and this is all with the moderator being a firm liberal, Obama even attended her wedding.


Having watched the debate myself, I find this thoroughly irrelevant, and it's frankly disgusting that you keep bringing it up as if it played any role at all in the debate.
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Re: Vice Presidential Debate: Ryan 48% Biden 44% (CNN)

Postby Woodruff on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:47 pm

Phatscotty wrote:The only reason true lefties think Biden won the debate was because Biden turned nasty, and they identify with that. It's just like here in the forum. Conservatives win the argument on the substance and ideas and articulation, and Liberals win the argument because they bashed the hardest.


I can't believe I still get surprised by the things you say.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Woodruff on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:49 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:I made an inconsequential mistake there, because I was speaking from memory. The actual line, which was everywhere, was 27 lies in 38 minutes. You can google it, it's everywhere.

Some people are being stupidly polite and calling them "myths." But saying something that's not true is not what "Myth" means.


So what statements were lies?


Did you see the links I posted? The first one was titled "Romney Debates With Himself", I believe.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Woodruff on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Think Progress? hehe

I suppose this is where someone posts a FOX news segment right?

Incredible bias vs incredible bias is what we already have and do not need anymore of


Were you going to dispute the points made, or just make fun of the site? I'm sure Night Strike will be along ANY MOMENT to tell you that you shouldn't do this.
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Re: The Great Vice Presidential Debate

Postby Woodruff on Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:52 pm

Night Strike wrote:Because thinkprogress.org is unbiased?


Why Night Strike, aren't you the one that has stated that someone shouldn't debate the site, but rather the content of the accusations? I guess that only applies when it's a site YOU support, right?
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