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I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

Happens all the time,multiple times a day.A lot of people don't like to admit this as they associate admitting being wrong or having a change of mind as weakness.

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

it usually involves my wife in some way...

in debate however if given a rational, coherent, well thought out argument, I do my best to reconcile the differences between my standpoint and the other person's. I have been quite wrong before, and most certainly will again, but rationality is the key to getting me to change my mind

fadedpsychosis wrote:

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

it usually involves my wife in some way...

in debate however if given a rational, coherent, well thought out argument, I do my best to reconcile the differences between my standpoint and the other person's. I have been quite wrong before, and most certainly will again, but rationality is the key to getting me to change my mind

+1
except for the wife part.

I try to live by the saying "strong opinions, weakly held".

I admit I am wrong when I find I am wrong..and occasionally when I don't think I am (with my husband, kids, mostly sometimes my boss as well).

I will admit I'm wrong in a debate-type setting when the data or facts show that I'm wrong.

I will admit I'm wrong in personal settings when it is more convenient to do so than to not to so (see the wife comments above).

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

Here's my view of things:

First of all, I will always believe that I'm right initially. After all, if I don't think I'm right...then why do I hold that opinion? However, I am open to hearing new information that may change my view that I'm right. In fact, that seems like a natural function of interacting with other people and other things, and a thing that should happen not just on a daily basis but on a moment-to-moment basis.

Usually when I'm wrong. How often? probably every few days or so.

Woodruff wrote:

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

Here's my view of things:

First of all, I will always believe that I'm right initially. After all, if I don't think I'm right...then why do I hold that opinion? However, I am open to hearing new information that may change my view that I'm right. In fact, that seems like a natural function of interacting with other people and other things, and a thing that should happen not just on a daily basis but on a moment-to-moment basis.

I voted a couple of times a month.
I will admit I'm wrong when someone steps up with some good old common sense in a more or less civilized manner. I can quote instances on these here forums where I have openly admitted to being wrong.
For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

Funkyterrance wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

Here's my view of things:

First of all, I will always believe that I'm right initially. After all, if I don't think I'm right...then why do I hold that opinion? However, I am open to hearing new information that may change my view that I'm right. In fact, that seems like a natural function of interacting with other people and other things, and a thing that should happen not just on a daily basis but on a moment-to-moment basis.

I voted a couple of times a month.
I will admit I'm wrong when someone steps up with some good old common sense in a more or less civilized manner. I can quote instances on these here forums where I have openly admitted to being wrong.
For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

wow... this... from you? admittedly woodruff's a stubborn old coot but... pot calling the kettle black much?

fadedpsychosis wrote:

Funkyterrance wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

/ wrote:I'm always willing to reconsider my facts and opinions when challenged, I will typically look up any new conflicting information and apologize for inconsistency. Though at times this makes me a bit flippant or arbitrary.

Under what circumstances do you honestly consider being wrong?

Here's my view of things:

First of all, I will always believe that I'm right initially. After all, if I don't think I'm right...then why do I hold that opinion? However, I am open to hearing new information that may change my view that I'm right. In fact, that seems like a natural function of interacting with other people and other things, and a thing that should happen not just on a daily basis but on a moment-to-moment basis.

I voted a couple of times a month.
I will admit I'm wrong when someone steps up with some good old common sense in a more or less civilized manner. I can quote instances on these here forums where I have openly admitted to being wrong.
For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

wow... this... from you? admittedly woodruff's a stubborn old coot but... pot calling the kettle black much?

I can post links if you like...
I'm pure as the driven snow, man.

I might be a little stubborn as far as admitting to those I'm arguing with that I'm wrong goes, but if someone raises an argument that I genuinely have no counter to I will rethink my position later on.

I used to be that person that was never wrong. I still think I was right most of the time though, but still, a lot of times my disposition didn't help to move towards the goal. I then made a conscious decision that it was not important who was right or wrong, but it was important to move forward, so I started concede a lot of times even though I knew I as right, and when I started doing this I realized it was very easy actually.

If you allow others to come up with the best decisions by themselves, they do it with better disposition. This usually happens after their first idea fails.

In the end it doesn't matter much, you learn to see that it's not always that the other person can't be right, it's just that they don't care that much about it, or they have some other reason why they are making what to you is a wrong decision.

What I've never been able to emotionally handle is those who think they are very smart and trick people with words, or belittle them, happens a lot with bureocrats (idiots who know how to fill forms) and person in power, I rarely shut up. Just today I had to explode against an idiot lady that was somehow teaching me that if I paid certain tax in the bank I HAD to go tot he government offices to show the receipt. I told her it was bullshit that they had sent me notifications now twice to go to see a missing payment, and then she sort of let me know that I might have to pay 3 fines of almost 200 dls each for not going there after the first notification, HA! I made enough fuss than the "boss" invited me to her office and admitted they had it wrong, I had made the payments, they did receive notification from the bank, they were dealing with some problems with the records.

Back on my car, I lose the green color and I can understand that maybe the first lady might have had a bad day, and that she says that to everyone and never anyone corrected her, but still. They are to serve you, and most people would eat that treatment.

I had to eat humble pie as a quizmaster a coupla times, though in most cases, it's my source material that's wrong.
In discussions I often say "I'm pretty certain. Of course, I could be wrong, but I don't think so." That way if it turns out I am mistaken it's not so embarrassing.
On matters of opinion, of course, I am never wrong. Only on matters of fact from time to time.

Funkyterrance wrote:For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

For the record, then you haven't been paying attention at all. Not surprising, of course, given your posting tendencies.

being entirely honest:

i will frequently admit to myself that i am wrong, and attempt to correct my own miconceptions. however, i will almost never admit to other people that i am wrong, because most other people are wrong far more often than i am, and they do not deserve to have the right to judge me for being wrong.

i think that a lot of people act in a similar fashion.

john9blue wrote:being entirely honest:

i will frequently admit to myself that i am wrong, and attempt to correct my own miconceptions. however, i will almost never admit to other people that i am wrong, because most other people are wrong far more often than i am, and they do not deserve to have the right to judge me for being wrong.

i think that a lot of people act in a similar fashion.

I think you are correct that most people act this way,but wouldn't things be a whole lot better if they didn't?

When it's been proven beyond doubt. Example, I claim an average apple weighs 300 grams, someone pulls up reliable sources that claim otherwise. Then I'm wrong.
It does happen every once in a while. But rarely on this site. People here are mostly arguing over subjective things.

Only when politicians do.

Funkyterrance wrote:For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

Eat it, bitch (this isn't even close to an exhaustive search):
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=128387&p=2815913&hilit=mistake#p2815913
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=88440&p=2056340&hilit=mistake#p2056340
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=174761&p=3820159&hilit=mistake#p3820159
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=174431&p=3812408&hilit=mistake#p3812408
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177416&p=3908986&hilit=mistake#p3908986
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=82967&p=1969467&hilit=mistake#p1969467
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=121462&p=2678383&hilit=mistake#p2678383
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114367&p=2545658&hilit=mistake#p2545658
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114332&p=2539502&hilit=mistake#p2539502
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=108610&p=2518471&hilit=mistake#p2518471
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=495&t=89466&p=2071208&hilit=mistake#p2071208
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82952&p=1982737&hilit=mistaken#p1982737
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=116246&p=2570874&hilit=mistake#p2570874

Woodruff wrote:

Funkyterrance wrote:For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

Eat it, bitch (this isn't even close to an exhaustive search):
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=128387&p=2815913&hilit=mistake#p2815913
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=88440&p=2056340&hilit=mistake#p2056340
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=174761&p=3820159&hilit=mistake#p3820159
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=174431&p=3812408&hilit=mistake#p3812408
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177416&p=3908986&hilit=mistake#p3908986
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=82967&p=1969467&hilit=mistake#p1969467
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=121462&p=2678383&hilit=mistake#p2678383
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114367&p=2545658&hilit=mistake#p2545658
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114332&p=2539502&hilit=mistake#p2539502
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=108610&p=2518471&hilit=mistake#p2518471
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=495&t=89466&p=2071208&hilit=mistake#p2071208
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82952&p=1982737&hilit=mistaken#p1982737
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=116246&p=2570874&hilit=mistake#p2570874

Why woodruff, I should wash your filthy mouth out with soap!

To be accurate the links provided seem to be examples of you admitting to making mistakes, not being wrong. Being one who delights in arguing semantics you should be able to appreciate this distinction. Looks like its you who gets to "eat it" this time.

Show me some examples of you admitting that you were seeing an issue solely from your own side, talking out of your ass and were proven wrong, end of discussion. If you can do this,you may find me admitting to being wrong about you. Until then, I stand by my judgement.

Funkyterrance wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Funkyterrance wrote:For the record, I've never heard Woodruff admit he was wrong. If cornered, he resorts to either redirecting the conversation or lashing out.

Eat it, bitch (this isn't even close to an exhaustive search):
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=128387&p=2815913&hilit=mistake#p2815913
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=88440&p=2056340&hilit=mistake#p2056340
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=174761&p=3820159&hilit=mistake#p3820159
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=174431&p=3812408&hilit=mistake#p3812408
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177416&p=3908986&hilit=mistake#p3908986
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=634&t=82967&p=1969467&hilit=mistake#p1969467
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=121462&p=2678383&hilit=mistake#p2678383
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114367&p=2545658&hilit=mistake#p2545658
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=114332&p=2539502&hilit=mistake#p2539502
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=108610&p=2518471&hilit=mistake#p2518471
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=495&t=89466&p=2071208&hilit=mistake#p2071208
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82952&p=1982737&hilit=mistaken#p1982737
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=116246&p=2570874&hilit=mistake#p2570874

Why woodruff, I should wash your filthy mouth out with soap!
To be accurate the links provided seem to be examples of you admitting to making mistakes, not being wrong.

Uh...what? That may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Funkyterrance wrote:Show me some examples of you admitting that you were seeing an issue solely from your own side, talking out of your ass and were proven wrong, end of discussion. If you can do this,you may find me admitting to being wrong about you. Until then, I stand by my judgement.

I'll just go ahead and point you to fadedpsychosis' point about you and be done with it. I've proven my point...you obviously can't say the same about yourself.

the results you provided represented about 1% of the total amount of times that you've been wrong on this forum.

this thread is about the percentage of the time that people admit to being wrong.

even a great number of admissions doesn't mean much when one is wrong as frequently as you are, oftentimes undebatably.

john9blue wrote:the results you provided represented about 1% of the total amount of times that you've been wrong on this forum.

And of COURSE you can provide these multitudes of quotes, right?

john9blue wrote:this thread is about the percentage of the time that people admit to being wrong.

It is? The poll certainly doesn't reflect that, nor does the OP. Do ANY posts in the thread reflect that?

john9blue wrote:even a great number of admissions doesn't mean much when one is wrong as frequently as you are, oftentimes undebatably.

And of COURSE you can provide these multitudes of quotes, right?

Woodruff wrote:
Uh...what? That may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Boom, the Ad Hominem. You realize its the equivalent of shooting blanks right?

Woodruff wrote: I'll just go ahead and point you to fadedpsychosis' point about you and be done with it. I've proven my point...you obviously can't say the same about yourself.

No need to stand on faded's shoulders woodruff, you can try to do this on your own, you're a big boy right? I'm not entirely convinced you even grasped faded's point considering your vagueness up above so I would like to hear it in your own words if that's not too much trouble?