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Should someone be declared illegal before a trial?

Yes, absolutely
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Yes, in certain cases.
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I'm not sure
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No, but in some cases trials aren't necessary
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No- I presume innocence before the outcome
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Kittens have a right to due cuteness
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:08 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:The point I was making was that you don't seem to believe there IS a problem with legal citizens having documents. For you to continue to hold the line that "everyone has documents".. and "they are not difficult to obtain" means you are intentionally ignorant.


Yep... "everyone" has them... or can get them without serious issues.

... yes I put "everyone" in quotes. Obviously there is some small fraction of the population that may have a hard time getting ID. Even if LIberals where right... and the percentage is higher than I believe... this WOULD NOT EFFECT legal immigrants. Legal immigrants BY DEFINITION have ID.

Then there's a difference between those who don't have ID and those who "can't get" ID. Let's say X percentage of legal residents (citizens... because we already excluded legal immigrants) don't have ID.

Of X.... only a small percent "can't get" ID.... let's call that Y.

Of Y... MOST of these could get ID if we created voter ID laws AND required States to provide ID's (not licenses... but generic picture ID's) for free.
So then we would be left with Z... the people who couldn't provide the documentation to get ID's.

This number Z would be VERY VERY small and we could find ways to accommodate these people too.

So yeah... having an ID shouldn't be a problem for a legal resident of this country.
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:09 am

Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.
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Re: Illegal

Postby Timminz on Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:59 pm

jimboston wrote:
Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:The Dept. of Customs and Immigration does NOT go around Boston rounding people up randomly and shipping them to other countries. This ISN'T happening... please don't suggest it does.

Them Canajuns is gettin all up in yer 'chusetts.

Please don't modify my posts. Thanks.


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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:05 pm

Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:The Dept. of Customs and Immigration does NOT go around Boston rounding people up randomly and shipping them to other countries. This ISN'T happening... please don't suggest it does.

Them Canajuns is gettin all up in yer 'chusetts.

Please don't modify my posts. Thanks.


I will do as I please with your posts. Thanks.


If you are going to do it... you could at least use proper grammar.

Thanks :)
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Re: Illegal

Postby Timminz on Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:03 pm

jimboston wrote:
Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:The Dept. of Customs and Immigration does NOT go around Boston rounding people up randomly and shipping them to other countries. This ISN'T happening... please don't suggest it does.

Them Canajuns is gettin all up in yer 'chusetts.

Please don't modify my posts. Thanks.


I will do as I please with your posts. Thanks.


If you are going to do it... you could at least use proper grammar.

Thanks :)


What? Canajuns is a totally appropriate approximation of your slovenly drawl.
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Re: Illegal

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:43 pm

what part of that is drawl?
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Re: Illegal

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:09 pm

Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Timminz wrote:
jimboston wrote:The Dept. of Customs and Immigration does NOT go around Boston rounding people up randomly and shipping them to other countries. This ISN'T happening... please don't suggest it does.

Them Canajuns is gettin all up in yer 'chusetts.

Please do modify my posts. No thanks.


I will please as I do with your posts. Thanks.


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Re: Illegal

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:53 pm

jimboston wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The point I was making was that you don't seem to believe there IS a problem with legal citizens having documents. For you to continue to hold the line that "everyone has documents".. and "they are not difficult to obtain" means you are intentionally ignorant.


Yep... "everyone" has them... or can get them without serious issues.

... yes I put "everyone" in quotes. Obviously there is some small fraction of the population that may have a hard time getting ID. Even if LIberals where right... and the percentage is higher than I believe... this WOULD NOT EFFECT legal immigrants. Legal immigrants BY DEFINITION have ID.

So you are under the impression that legal immigrants can vote?
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Re: Illegal

Postby Timminz on Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:19 pm

Phatscotty wrote:what part of that is drawl?


Those Bostonians: they sure know how to bastardize the English language.
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Re: Illegal

Postby fadedpsychosis on Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:49 am

Timminz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:what part of that is drawl?


Those Bostonians: they sure know how to bastardize the English language.

unlike dem dere cannadians doncha noo...
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Re: Illegal

Postby Timminz on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:08 pm

fadedpsychosis wrote:
Timminz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:what part of that is drawl?


Those Bostonians: they sure know how to bastardize the English language.

unlike dem dere cannadians doncha noo...


Sarah Palin is not Canadian, thank god.
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Re: Illegal

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:24 pm

Timminz wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Timminz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:what part of that is drawl?


Those Bostonians: they sure know how to bastardize the English language.

unlike dem dere cannadians doncha noo...


Parah Salin is not Canadian, thank god.


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Re: Illegal

Postby fadedpsychosis on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:33 pm

Timminz wrote:
fadedpsychosis wrote:
Timminz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:what part of that is drawl?


Those Bostonians: they sure know how to bastardize the English language.

unlike dem dere cannadians doncha noo...


Sarah Palin is not Canadian, thank god.

*L* wish my country could disown her too...
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Re: Illegal

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:18 pm

jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.


Says the dude with a family guy avatar.
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:09 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
jimboston wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The point I was making was that you don't seem to believe there IS a problem with legal citizens having documents. For you to continue to hold the line that "everyone has documents".. and "they are not difficult to obtain" means you are intentionally ignorant.


Yep... "everyone" has them... or can get them without serious issues.

... yes I put "everyone" in quotes. Obviously there is some small fraction of the population that may have a hard time getting ID. Even if LIberals where right... and the percentage is higher than I believe... this WOULD NOT EFFECT legal immigrants. Legal immigrants BY DEFINITION have ID.

So you are under the impression that legal immigrants can vote?


No.

We talking about how hard it is for someone here legally to have ID or not.

Please take off your stupid hat.

(Oh you can't it's permanently attached to your head.)
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:11 pm

Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.


Says the dude with a family guy avatar.


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Re: Illegal

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:12 pm

jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.


Says the dude with a family guy avatar.


Ad Hominem in Action!

Don't bother trying to clarify your point or anything... just attack me.
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Good luck with that.
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:24 pm

Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.


Says the dude with a family guy avatar.


Ad Hominem in Action!

Don't bother trying to clarify your point or anything... just attack me.
Reported to MOD.. personal attack.


Good luck with that.


Again not a reply with any content.

So you agree your previous post was the definition of an Ad Hominem attack on my person?
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Re: Illegal

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:29 pm

jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I seem to have made a few people angry by bringing this up. There are replies in thread for people who don't go along with the idea.


What idea?

You don't seem to have one.


Says the dude with a family guy avatar.


Ad Hominem in Action!

Don't bother trying to clarify your point or anything... just attack me.
Reported to MOD.. personal attack.


Good luck with that.


Again not a reply with any content.

So you agree your previous post was the definition of an Ad Hominem attack on my person?


No, both as a poster and as a fan of dictionaries.
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Re: Illegal

Postby jimboston on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:34 pm

Symmetry wrote:No, both as a poster and as a fan of dictionaries.


You're soooooo smart. I wish I could be smart like you.

Of course, it'd be funny if your insult was actually on target or accurate in some way. Since it's not...
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Re: Illegal

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:36 pm

jimboston wrote:
Symmetry wrote:No, both as a poster and as a fan of dictionaries.


You're soooooo smart. I wish I could be smart like you.

Of course, it'd be funny if your insult was actually on target or accurate in some way. Since it's not...


I guess we'll both have to deal with you being the best you you can be.
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Re: Illegal

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:39 pm

Symmetry wrote:Yeah, I guess a large part of the thread has come to be about the peculiar use of Americans to say someone is illegal without the presumption of innocence pre-trial.

The thread is was it is I suppose.


Okay. Weird reason for a thread, but okay.
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Re: Illegal

Postby Symmetry on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:43 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Yeah, I guess a large part of the thread has come to be about the peculiar use of Americans to say someone is illegal without the presumption of innocence pre-trial.

The thread is was it is I suppose.


Okay. Weird reason for a thread, but okay.


Presumption of innocence is weird?
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Re: Illegal

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:48 pm

Let's try to revitalize this thread.

Symmetry, how do you think illegals in the US are detained and tried, Sym? Describe that process.
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Re: Illegal

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:49 pm

Symmetry wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Yeah, I guess a large part of the thread has come to be about the peculiar use of Americans to say someone is illegal without the presumption of innocence pre-trial.

The thread is was it is I suppose.


Okay. Weird reason for a thread, but okay.


Presumption of innocence is weird?


No, presumption of innocence is good. I'm not following your logic of going from "weird reason for a thread" to "presumption of innocence is weird."

Do you have any evidence or other background for your assertion that Americans say someone is illegal without the presumption of innocence?

Do you understand the American criminal justice system at all (not just the immigration system, anything)?
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