thegreekdog wrote:Symmetry wrote:thegreekdog wrote:MeDeFe wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Good point. MeDeFe's got your back.
I've definitely got something here, but I'm not sure what the hell it is.
Are you guys going to go back to debating about the fact that a couple hundred US citizens are deported from the USA every year (http://stateswithoutnations.blogspot.de/search/label/ICE%20deporting%20US%20citizens), and about how hard or easy it is to get ID in the USA, and how the deportation process could or should be improved?
Or should I just lock this thread?
I'm not sure because I'm still not sure I understand what this thread is about. Is it about the presumption of innocence? Is it about the presumption of innocence with respect to deportation proceedings? Is it about deportation proceedings generally?
If there was only some way we could get Symmetry to be less obtuse...
By the way, I skimmed the blog you've posted and noticed there was very little, if any, discussion of due process or removal proceedings.
You could possibly start by posting a bit less about how obtuse I am, how I'm on your list, and other such nonsense.
What would you like me to explain?
I guess this has gone the way of illegal as describing "illegal immigrants", so it seems to me that that your questions are tied.
Are "illegal immigrants" actually illegal if they haven't received a trial judging their actions against the law? Should declaring someone to have done something illegal be part of the judicial process? Or should there be a presumption of innocence prior to a trial?
Is your problem that the phrase "illegal immigrants" is applied haphazardly to people who may or may not be actual illegal immigrants?
Whoah- dude, that was your take on the topic- applying the word illegal to immigration. Don't get pissy because I accommodate your take on the thread. No need to get upset.
With regards to your application of the term illegal regarding immigrants, I would think that there are some problems, if you're asking my opinion.
I guess I'd ask you how many "illegal" immigrants there are?