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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby new guy1 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:20 pm

I mean, I know not everyone believes that, not even I do, but I feel like someone else should have done it because I dont see any importance in her doing i herself.

Edit- Those old people were at Woodbury because they could not use guns and so could not help in the offense against the prison, therefore, I feel I can assume they cant use guns properly. I know people who are getting up there in age who still shoot guns, so I know it can be possible... I just dont think it is possible here. Also, maybe he took all these people in because he mixed the "you have to kill people" from his son with the "you cant just keep turning people away" from Hershel.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby patches70 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:07 pm

Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.

I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.

Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby crispybits on Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:47 pm

I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby Ray Rider on Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:02 pm

patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.

I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.

Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.

+1 Agreed on principle, since I can't say I know what the eternal repercussions of suicide would be. Didn't the Jews commit suicide en masse during the Roman siege of Masada? It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby patches70 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:31 pm

Ray Rider wrote:
patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.

I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.

Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.

+1 Agreed on principle, since I can't say I know what the eternal repercussions of suicide would be. Didn't the Jews commit suicide en masse during the Roman siege of Masada? It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.


No, the Jews didn't commit suicide. Mothers killed children, husbands killed wives until only a few were left. The last drew lots to see who would be the last left alive, and the last one killed himself after killing the others.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby patches70 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:38 pm

crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...



For me it's not so much religious. It's principle. One does not kill themselves. Self preservation instinct is in us for a reason. Just the very idea of killing myself is repulsive to me. I like being alive, I ain't checking out early by my own hand. I don't need the threat of Hellfire to tell me that I don't want to kill myself.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby Army of GOD on Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:42 pm

patches70 wrote:
crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...



For me it's not so much religious. It's principle. One does not kill themselves. Self preservation instinct is in us for a reason. Just the very idea of killing myself is repulsive to me. I like being alive, I ain't checking out early by my own hand. I don't need the threat of Hellfire to tell me that I don't want to kill myself.


If you were captured by some insane group of people who you knew for a fact would torture the living fucking shit out of you and you had a five minute window to kill yourself with a gun before the walked in the room, you wouldn't kill yourself?
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby patches70 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:52 pm

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patches70 wrote:
crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...



For me it's not so much religious. It's principle. One does not kill themselves. Self preservation instinct is in us for a reason. Just the very idea of killing myself is repulsive to me. I like being alive, I ain't checking out early by my own hand. I don't need the threat of Hellfire to tell me that I don't want to kill myself.


If you were captured by some insane group of people who you knew for a fact would torture the living fucking shit out of you and you had a five minute window to kill yourself with a gun before the walked in the room, you wouldn't kill yourself?


If I had a gun I'd shoot the first one and as many as I could take with me before I'd ever kill myself. No, I wouldn't kill myself.

The dead know only one thing. That it is better to be alive.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby ThatDogFenton on Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:57 pm

Ray Rider wrote:It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.


I'm half Jewish. You'll get many, many viewpoints about suicide, as it all depends on how observant you are, whether you uphold the Jewish laws, etc. But, in general, while suicide is considered a no-no, we don't have the same view on the afterlife or the belief that "do X and you'll go to Y". Ie, you aren't going to hell for it, because we basically don't have hell.

And yeah, weird that a show about zombies has resulted in such deep discussion.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:52 pm

Just saw the last episode. Have to say my favorite episode of the season was where they went back to Rick's hometown. I was supremely disappointed in the season finale.
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Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:05 am

The finale was not what I was expecting. And this is one of the things I have loved about this show. how they have managed to keep faithful to the comics but not be a slave to them. I honestly expected the govner to take control of the prison and force ricks group out onto the road again.

As for Andrea killing herself, rightly or wrongly, she did it. But if I was Rick, I would of made sure she knew the amount of crap she had caused by not killing the govner when she had a chance.
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:15 am

patches70 wrote:
Ray Rider wrote:
patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.

I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.

Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.

+1 Agreed on principle, since I can't say I know what the eternal repercussions of suicide would be. Didn't the Jews commit suicide en masse during the Roman siege of Masada? It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.


No, the Jews didn't commit suicide. Mothers killed children, husbands killed wives until only a few were left. The last drew lots to see who would be the last left alive, and the last one killed himself after killing the others.

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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby crispybits on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:47 am

Back on topic with the actual episode

The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?
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Re: AMC: The Walking Dead (Season 3:SPOILER ALERTS!))

Postby denominator on Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:33 am

crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode

The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?


This bothered me as well. She spent a lot of time talking with Milton, or giving the camera distressed looks instead of trying to free herself. Milton had to remind her a number of times to hurry up. Plus, we've seen many times that she's quite good at killing the zombies - so how exactly did Milton manage bite her once she was free? I didn't think that fit well with her character.
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