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patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.
I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.
Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.
Ray Rider wrote:patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.
I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.
Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.
+1 Agreed on principle, since I can't say I know what the eternal repercussions of suicide would be. Didn't the Jews commit suicide en masse during the Roman siege of Masada? It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.
crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...
patches70 wrote:crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...
For me it's not so much religious. It's principle. One does not kill themselves. Self preservation instinct is in us for a reason. Just the very idea of killing myself is repulsive to me. I like being alive, I ain't checking out early by my own hand. I don't need the threat of Hellfire to tell me that I don't want to kill myself.
Army of GOD wrote:patches70 wrote:crispybits wrote:I can't believe we're having a religious debate about a zombie TV show...
For me it's not so much religious. It's principle. One does not kill themselves. Self preservation instinct is in us for a reason. Just the very idea of killing myself is repulsive to me. I like being alive, I ain't checking out early by my own hand. I don't need the threat of Hellfire to tell me that I don't want to kill myself.
If you were captured by some insane group of people who you knew for a fact would torture the living fucking shit out of you and you had a five minute window to kill yourself with a gun before the walked in the room, you wouldn't kill yourself?
Ray Rider wrote:It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.
patches70 wrote:Ray Rider wrote:patches70 wrote:Heh, I don't think Andrea should have offed herself when there were other people there to do it for her.
I think it is in the book World War Z, in Russia people who'd been bitten and were going to turn soon were killing themselves. Noble, surely, until a Russian Orthodox priest witnessed those people killing themselves and would have none of it. After that it was the duty of the priests to off the soon to be walking dead, to preserve the immortal souls of the soon to be departed.
Of course, if it were me and I was about to become a zombie, I'd off myself first. When I saw God I would explain that I couldn't allow myself to turn and end up killing even more people. It wouldn't be suicide, it'd be sacrifice. I think God would understand.....
That being said, if someone else were around I'd have them do it for me before I'd do it myself. But alone and with no other choice one would have to do it themselves.
Andrea wasn't alone, Michonne or Rick shouldn't have let her off herself. One of them should have done it.
+1 Agreed on principle, since I can't say I know what the eternal repercussions of suicide would be. Didn't the Jews commit suicide en masse during the Roman siege of Masada? It would be interesting to hear the Jewish view on the subject.
No, the Jews didn't commit suicide. Mothers killed children, husbands killed wives until only a few were left. The last drew lots to see who would be the last left alive, and the last one killed himself after killing the others.
crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode
The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?
denominator wrote:crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode
The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?
This bothered me as well. She spent a lot of time talking with Milton, or giving the camera distressed looks instead of trying to free herself. Milton had to remind her a number of times to hurry up. Plus, we've seen many times that she's quite good at killing the zombies - so how exactly did Milton manage bite her once she was free? I didn't think that fit well with her character.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
strike wolf wrote:I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.
strike wolf wrote:denominator wrote:crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode
The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?
This bothered me as well. She spent a lot of time talking with Milton, or giving the camera distressed looks instead of trying to free herself. Milton had to remind her a number of times to hurry up. Plus, we've seen many times that she's quite good at killing the zombies - so how exactly did Milton manage bite her once she was free? I didn't think that fit well with her character.
I get the impression that the show occasionally likes to remind us that anyone could get bitten in any situation. I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.
saxitoxin wrote:strike wolf wrote:I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.
Just two episodes before she ran a half-marathon in sheepskin, fur-lined boots! If she can do that surely she can fight-off the president of the Woodbury Magic: The Gathering club.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Indeed, Chad L. Coleman and Sonequa Martin-Green, who recurred on Season 3 of The Walking Dead as Tyreese and Sasha, have been upgraded to series regulars for the fourth season of AMC’s zombie-apocalypse smash, TVLine has learned.
Additionally, Emily Kinney — who joined the show in Season 2 as Hershel’s youngest daughter Beth — has also been elevated to a regular.
strike wolf wrote:*Shrugs* As I said, I think the show creators like to remind everyone watching that even individual zombies are still dangerous and can get you at just about any time and to be honest, I find Andrea's death in that situation a lot more believable than some of the escapes I've seen happen through the course of this show (Merl cutting off his own hand and somehow escaping without becoming a victim of either blood loss or zombie attack (don't imagine he would have been in good shape to fight off any walkers), The governor escaping that room without getting bitten despite being shown as out of bullets and completely swarmed). If I am supposed to believe that those were possible I can accept Andrea dying in that situation.
koontz1973 wrote:Additionally, Emily Kinney — who joined the show in Season 2 as Hershel’s youngest daughter Beth — has also been elevated to a regular.
Bluegrass anyone?
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