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Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:42 pm**

denominator wrote:
crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode

The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?

This bothered me as well. She spent a lot of time talking with Milton, or giving the camera distressed looks instead of trying to free herself. Milton had to remind her a number of times to hurry up. Plus, we've seen many times that she's quite good at killing the zombies - so how exactly did Milton manage bite her once she was free? I didn't think that fit well with her character.

I get the impression that the show occasionally likes to remind us that anyone could get bitten in any situation. I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:29 pm**

I can easily suspend my disbelief with Andrea's death as holy shit f*ck Andrea.

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:47 pm**

strike wolf wrote:I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.

Just two episodes before she ran a half-marathon in sheepskin, fur-lined boots! If she can do that surely she can fight-off the president of the Woodbury Magic: The Gathering club.

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:45 pm**

strike wolf wrote:
denominator wrote:
crispybits wrote:Back on topic with the actual episode

The one thing that really bugged me on this one was the amount of time Andrea spent talking withMilton and just stopped doing anything to free herself. I mean we're told women are good multitaskers, couldn't she have been talking and getting hold of those pliers and cutting herself free at the same time?

This bothered me as well. She spent a lot of time talking with Milton, or giving the camera distressed looks instead of trying to free herself. Milton had to remind her a number of times to hurry up. Plus, we've seen many times that she's quite good at killing the zombies - so how exactly did Milton manage bite her once she was free? I didn't think that fit well with her character.

I get the impression that the show occasionally likes to remind us that anyone could get bitten in any situation. I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.

It is interesting how people die from biters/walkers. For example, T-Dog's death seemed entirely preventable. Unless one is literally mobbed by zombies, I can't fathom how one is bitten. It's not like we're talking about wolves (no pun intended strike) here; we're talking about slow, spastic former human beings. I actually can understand Andrea's death, especially if she was still stuck in the chair. Can't understand T-Dogg's death at all in the context of the show.

Other things that bothered me:

- How do five people chase off 50 people in the prison? Yeah, the 50 people weren't trained soldiers but I was like "What the? Why are they running away?" I honestly thought it was fake. These 50 people just finished blowing the unliving crap out of watchtowers, walls, and zombies.
- How do 20 people with guns let 1 guy with an eyepatch shoot them all?
- Further, why did Crazy McPatch kill all those people? I mean yeah, he's crazy, but can he be that crazy to destroy his power base? Power was ultimately what he was most concerned about so why throw that away.

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:25 pm**

I would imagine the rationale would be roughly as follows (though I admit some of it is a bit weak):

- After the zombie ambush in the tombs with the alarms etc, the attackers were already in withdrawal mode and didn't really know what was going on. In a firefight like that you don't necessarily get a chance to assess exactly how many are shooting at you or what the exact tactical situation is so it's safer to get to a safe place and regroup from there.
- One guy with an automatic weapon, particularly if that one is trusted not to go psycho and a leader figure, can take down an awful lot of people without reply. Just look at some mass shooting incidents from real life and assess how quickly people managed to react in defence.
- Because Crazy McPatch was crazy, you don't need rational reasons for something when you're a looney tune!

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:56 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I don't know how long Andrea had been held there. Probably no more than a couple days but I imagine she wasn't in top condition when she was freed.

Just two episodes before she ran a half-marathon in sheepskin, fur-lined boots! If she can do that surely she can fight-off the president of the Woodbury Magic: The Gathering club.

Exactly. Look what Glenn did when he was in the same situation and he didn't even have the luxury of a weapon in his hands. She's been shown killing tons of walkers with various close-combat weapons all season, yet seemed to just be ready to die here.

Posted: **Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:20 pm**

*Shrugs* As I said, I think the show creators like to remind everyone watching that even individual zombies are still dangerous and can get you at just about any time and to be honest, I find Andrea's death in that situation a lot more believable than some of the escapes I've seen happen through the course of this show (Merl cutting off his own hand and somehow escaping without becoming a victim of either blood loss or zombie attack (don't imagine he would have been in good shape to fight off any walkers), The governor escaping that room without getting bitten despite being shown as out of bullets and completely swarmed). If I am supposed to believe that those were possible I can accept Andrea dying in that situation.

Posted: **Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:14 am**

Also, Andrea dying allows the producers to kill of any character they want at any time they want. Keeps the viewers in suspense over who will die next and also keeps the wages down. Ask for a pay rise and you get bitten.

It pays to ride with Rick Grimes.

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni50486000/?ref_=hm_nw_tp_t1

Indeed, Chad L. Coleman and Sonequa Martin-Green, who recurred on Season 3 of The Walking Dead as Tyreese and Sasha, have been upgraded to series regulars for the fourth season of AMC’s zombie-apocalypse smash, TVLine has learned.

Great news.

Additionally, Emily Kinney — who joined the show in Season 2 as Hershel’s youngest daughter Beth — has also been elevated to a regular.

Bluegrass anyone?

Posted: **Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:45 am**

strike wolf wrote:*Shrugs* As I said, I think the show creators like to remind everyone watching that even individual zombies are still dangerous and can get you at just about any time and to be honest, I find Andrea's death in that situation a lot more believable than some of the escapes I've seen happen through the course of this show (Merl cutting off his own hand and somehow escaping without becoming a victim of either blood loss or zombie attack (don't imagine he would have been in good shape to fight off any walkers), The governor escaping that room without getting bitten despite being shown as out of bullets and completely swarmed). If I am supposed to believe that those were possible I can accept Andrea dying in that situation.

I will agree on the escapes. It seems any time they set something up but then don't show it on-screen it falls into the unbelievability category. Obviously they weren't going to show Merle sawing off his own hand, but watching the Governor fight off that horde of zombies with a shovel would have been rather awesome even if I dislike the character. Same with Andrea... maybe she tripped over one of her own boots (which personally I would have removed at the start when trying to retrieve the pliers) or some freaky thing but they just decided not to show it.

I find it interesting the the changes they've made from the comic books - most notably replacing Tyreese with Darryl for the first 3 seasons. It will be interesting to see how they include both characters that are essentially filling one role.

Posted: **Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:38 pm**

koontz1973 wrote:
Additionally, Emily Kinney — who joined the show in Season 2 as Hershel’s youngest daughter Beth — has also been elevated to a regular.

Bluegrass anyone?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

And how the hell is Andrea dying evidence that the producers will kill whoever, whenever? She was probably the fifth or so most important character and died in the finale, that's hardly random. Lori's death is the only surprising one this entire season.

TWD is too generic of a show to kill off people randomly.

Posted: **Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:02 pm**

Well I liked the show. I think it's nice.

Posted: **Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:31 pm**

TWD is better than Breaking bad!

I voted Michonne

Posted: **Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:31 pm**

Phatscotty wrote:TWD is better than Breaking bad!

I voted Michonne

I would agree with the first statement. I like Breaking Bad but it's not the best show on TV and realistically, Walt should have been caught or killed season 1. The only thing that stopped it is the surprising ineptitude of those who were in a position to do so.

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As far as best characters, Michonne's cool but Daryl is the best.

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:29 pm**

So...

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Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:18 pm**

strike wolf wrote:So...
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Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:32 pm**

1. Carl apparently entered and emerged from puberty during the 9 month off-season.
2. The new black guy has the body of T-Dawg and the whining disposition of Dale. We'll call him D-Dawg.
3. Herschel: "Rick, remember season 2 when we ran out of budget and spent 14 episodes just hanging out at the farm exchanging planting tips? Well, here I go again..."
4. Rick: "That chick in the woods reminds me of Laurie ... if Laurie had bathed more often."
5. Mark Zuckerberg: "Hey Carl, wanna hang out?"
6. QUICKSAND ROOF
7. Daryl: "Sorry Beth, another one of your boyfriends was killed by a zombie mob."
8. Beth: "meh"
9. gratuitous shot of Herschel's stump
10. Mark Zuckerberg turns into a Walker

Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:53 pm**

patches70 wrote:
strike wolf wrote:So...
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Posted: **Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:00 pm**

This is the best shitty show on tv.
I mean it exactly. This show is utter crap, but it pulls it off well. It's impossible to watch it without thinking about how stupid the situations are. Because they are stupid. The Simpsons is written better, because at least you expect the situations to be unbelievable.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:24 am**

Juan_Bottom wrote:This is the best shitty show on tv.
I mean it exactly. This show is utter crap, but it pulls it off well. It's impossible to watch it without thinking about how stupid the situations are. Because they are stupid. The Simpsons is written better, because at least you expect the situations to be unbelievable.

Yeah it's getting to that point. Between Andrea failing to kill a lone zombie before it bit her and no one shooting the governor when he was rampaging and other **** that happened towards the end of season 3 and then this latest episode...a lot of BS is piling up, even for a show about zombies.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:48 pm**

Well, yeah. It's a non-HBO cable TV show about zombies... what, reasonably, CAN you expect from it? I still find it entertaining, at least.

Posted: **Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:06 pm**

Hands-down my FAV zombie show is Keeping Up with the Kardashians, but TWD is still a close second.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:15 pm**

LMAO!

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:34 pm**

And Shane rubbing his head...seriously. It's like he's trying to slick back hair that isn't there.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:36 pm**

strike wolf wrote:And Shane rubbing his head...seriously. It's like he's trying to slick back hair that isn't there.

yeah that was lulz.

I know the feeling. I just shaved mine a week ago and I'm always rubbing it now.

Posted: **Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:10 pm**

Phatscotty wrote:LMAO!

That was pretty funny.

But you can't expect more from a basic cable television series. Really, the only reason I'm watching it is because of the zombies. The only non-comedy television series I've ever watched consistently are Spartacus (Starz), Boardwalk Empire (HBO), Game of Thrones (HBO) and the Walking Dead, so it's got that working for it.

And, from what I can tell, the series has nowhere to go now really considering they're not willing to take chances with the plot.

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