GabonX wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:GabonX wrote:The problem is that lack of intervention has proven to be just as damaging. The path of isolation led to the US being drawn into two world wars, and ignoring that casts aside the lessons of the first half of the 20th Century. With the factor of modern technology the world is too small to allow a major power to ignore world events. Isolation is not a luxury that nations will again enjoy and policies that pursue it are in reality policies of postponement.
Actually, there's no evidence that damns lack of intervention because you can't show the counter-factual. All we can say is, "wow, this intervention caused all this damage," and then we make comparisons of those consequences to speculated consequences.
Actually the case isn't nearly as hard to make as you seem to think. As I've said before, those who do not understand this have missed the biggest lesson of the 20th century... Let me explain:
In 1936 Hitler violated the Treaty of Versailles by re-militarizing the Rhineland. Had the nations Hitler later declared war on (Britain, France, the US, etc.) intervened at this point they would have had a qualitative edge in weaponry as the industrial sector of the German war machine was not yet at peak production. While it's possible that for some unknown reason Germany may have been able to inflict more damage to the allies with a less developed military, it's much more likely that intervention at this point of qualitative military advantage for the allied powers would have saved the lives of countless civilians and service people.
The point is simple. If conflict seems likely because enemies of a man or state proclaim their hatred and lust for violence against that man or state, action should be taken at a point of strategic advantage. This may come before an enemy acts in which case the action taken is preemptive. If it is deemed that a greater advantage may come at some point in the future it may be wiser to pursue a policy of postponement. To pursue postponement while such an enemy is gaining relative strength is foolish and will likely cost resources, lives, or both to correct, if such a mistake is correctable.
This is why intervention is both wise and necessary in many circumstances. Both preemption and postponement may require some form of intervention...BigBallinStalin wrote:I'd address the rest of your post if you'd address the issue of blowback and spreading anti-American sentiment.
I'm not sure why you think I'm interested in having you address my posts, but since it's easy to repeat what has been said before I'll re-explain the flaw in your thinking...
What you consider to be blow back and anti-American sentiment is in reality the adaptation of Islam's violent and supremacist nature to fit the circumstances of our time. Their proclaimed motivations are less credible than Bush's stated goal of preventing Saddam Hussein from obtaining weapons of mass destruction prior to the Iraq war, but as an example of how a person's words can differ from the real cause of their actions, I hope that illustrates the point to some of you.
Do you know what false equivalence means? Do you understand the problems of comparing apples to oranges?
WW2 (two examples)
1) No nuclear deterrence. None. And no knowledge from others on the impact of nuclear weapons.
2) No substitutes for agitating states without going to full-scale war (i.e. the use of terrorism/insurgency)
(of course, there's more)
Comparing two scenarios where the institutions and incentives of the policymakers are completely different is fallacious. It's false equivalence.