Philosopher Death Match: Round Two

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Hobbes
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27%
Machiavelli
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Total votes : 11

Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:39 am

Dukasaur wrote:I'll take your word for it. I read it in high school, and that was something more than 30 years ago, and I'm willing to assume you've read it more recently. My recollection is that it was just practical "rule-of-thumb" type advice driven entirely by pragmatic concerns.


Well, you're right -- that's more or less exactly how it reads. So I wouldn't say you're wrong for assuming that he wasn't touching real philosophy. But I think from a historical context, it's a safe bet to assume that he really was making a point about the nature of both reality and ethics. That is, if you were the prince in question, you wouldn't need to understand the philosophical background to use the suggestions contained therein; but, it seems quite likely that Machiavelli was interested in the power of how one can use deceit to convince others of various arguments, and the ethical justification of this. It's not metaphysical-style epistemology in the sense of Plato, admittedly.
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Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby Crazyirishman on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:35 pm

Mach would win because The Prince is basically be a fuckin boss at war. Hobbes Leviathan is "lets make a contract to keep peace because everybody's an asshole".

Hooray grand oversimplification!
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Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:41 am

I'm looking forward to more of these.

Sun Tzu, Plato, Socrates?
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Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:58 am

Shouldn't this be a rap battle?
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Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:18 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Shouldn't this be a rap battle?

No, it most definitely should not.

However, if you must have a soundtrack, here's one for you:
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Re: Philosopher Death Match

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:43 pm

Good call.

Though if you're gonna post the live version you might as well post the longer one.
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