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Should NASA turn Voyager I around and bring it back to Earth?

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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:45 am

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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby NoSurvivors on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:55 am

Newton's first law of motion in simplified words: Things want to keep doing what theyre doing.

If they are really worried its going to run out of fuel, then why not turn it off and let it DRIFT through space, since there is no gravity to act upon it to slow it down. Accelerate, then drift along in space till it reaches something, then turn it on, lol. Just a thought.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:05 pm

bedub1 wrote:
x-raider wrote:
x-raider wrote:Did they even equip it with a turn-around button?


I just want to clarify here. You do understand that they physically can't turn it around now, right?

This entire thread is a troll.

That may have been initially true, but we are free to make of it whatever we wish. That's the beauty of spontaneous order.

Funkyterrance wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Just to clarify, the light is indeed too dim where the Voyagers (1 and 2) are now for solar panels to have any effect. However, the Voyagers are powered by RTG nuclear reactors and 4 of the 10 scientific instruments on board Voyager 1 and 5 of the 10 scientific instruments on board Voyager 2 are still functioning.

They are also still under their own propulsion and accelerating. Voyager 1 is expected to encounter another star system first: within 40,000 years. They are heading in different directions, although both are riding the bow of the Heliosheath and are expected to break out into open space within a decade.


That's awesome that not only are we creating space junk but space nuclear waste as well. O:)

The Sun spits out about 80 tonnes of radioactive waste every second. 80. Tonnes. Every. Second.

And the Sun is not a particularly energetic star.

Fear not, our contribution won't upset the apple cart...:)

whitestazn88 wrote:Disregard the second part, I wanted to leave it up so some people have information about the solar system, but Voyager 1 is located ~130AU from the center of the solar system at this point based on my reading of the wiki page on the Heliosphere, so my question is null.

Yeah, pretty much. The heliosheath is the thinnest layer of the heliosphere. Voyager 1 is currently at 122 AU and Voyager 2 is at 100 AU. (Although they were both launched in '77, they had very different paths in their planetary mission to Saturn and beyond, so Voyager 2 stayed in the classic solar system much longer.)

http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/science/planetary.html
The Voyager mission was designed to take advantage of a rare geometric arrangement of the outer planets in the late 1970s and the 1980s which allowed for a four-planet tour for a minimum of propellant and trip time. This layout of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune, which occurs about every 175 years, allows a spacecraft on a particular flight path to swing from one planet to the next without the need for large onboard propulsion systems. The flyby of each planet bends the spacecraft's flight path and increases its velocity enough to deliver it to the next destination. Using this "gravity assist" technique, first demonstrated with NASA's Mariner 10 Venus/Mercury mission in 1973-74, the flight time to Neptune was reduced from 30 years to 12.

While the four-planet mission was known to be possible, it was deemed to be too expensive to build a spacecraft that could go the distance, carry the instruments needed and last long enough to accomplish such a long mission. Thus, the Voyagers were funded to conduct intensive flyby studies of Jupiter and Saturn only. More than 10,000 trajectories were studied before choosing the two that would allow close flybys of Jupiter and its large moon Io, and Saturn and its large moon Titan; the chosen flight path for Voyager 2 also preserved the option to continue on to Uranus and Neptune.

From the NASA Kennedy Space Center at Cape Canaveral, Florida, Voyager 2 was launched first, on August 20, 1977; Voyager 1 was launched on a faster, shorter trajectory on September 5, 1977. Both spacecraft were delivered to space aboard Titan-Centaur expendable rockets.

The prime Voyager mission to Jupiter and Saturn brought Voyager 1 to Jupiter on March 5, 1979, and Saturn on November 12, 1980, followed by Voyager 2 to Jupiter on July 9, 1979, and Saturn on August 25, 1981.

Voyager 1's trajectory, designed to send the spacecraft closely past the large moon Titan and behind Saturn's rings, bent the spacecraft's path inexorably northward out of the ecliptic plane -- the plane in which most of the planets orbit the Sun. Voyager 2 was aimed to fly by Saturn at a point that would automatically send the spacecraft in the direction of Uranus.

After Voyager 2's successful Saturn encounter, it was shown that Voyager 2 would likely be able to fly on to Uranus with all instruments operating. NASA provided additional funding to continue operating the two spacecraft and authorized JPL to conduct a Uranus flyby. Subsequently, NASA also authorized the Neptune leg of the mission, which was renamed the Voyager Neptune Interstellar Mission.

Voyager 2 encountered Uranus on January 24, 1986, returning detailed photos and other data on the planet, its moons, magnetic field and dark rings. Voyager 1, meanwhile, continues to press outward, conducting studies of interplanetary space. Eventually, its instruments may be the first of any spacecraft to sense the heliopause -- the boundary between the end of the Sun's magnetic influence and the beginning of interstellar space.

Following Voyager 2's closest approach to Neptune on August 25, 1989, the spacecraft flew southward, below the ecliptic plane and onto a course that will take it, too, to interstellar space. Reflecting the Voyagers' new transplanetary destinations, the project is now known as the Voyager Interstellar Mission.

Voyager 1 has crossed into the heliosheath and is leaving the solar system, rising above the ecliptic plane at an angle of about 35 degrees at a rate of about 520 million kilometers (about 320 million miles) a year. Voyager 2 is also headed out of the solar system, diving below the ecliptic plane at an angle of about 48 degrees and a rate of about 470 million kilometers (about 290 million miles) a year.

Both spacecraft will continue to study ultraviolet sources among the stars, and the fields and particles instruments aboard the Voyagers will continue to explore the boundary between the Sun's influence and interstellar space. The Voyagers are expected to return valuable data for at least another decade. Communications will be maintained until the Voyagers' power sources can no longer supply enough electrical energy to power critical subsystems.


NoSurvivors wrote:Newton's first law of motion in simplified words: Things want to keep doing what theyre doing.

If they are really worried its going to run out of fuel, then why not turn it off and let it DRIFT through space, since there is no gravity to act upon it to slow it down. Accelerate, then drift along in space till it reaches something, then turn it on, lol. Just a thought.

Nobody's "worried" that it will run out of fuel. It will, as a normal matter of course. There is, unfortunately, no way to switch them on and off like you suggest, because the plutonium in the reactor won't stop decaying on command.

The Voyagers were designed for a lifespan of 5 years. The fact that they've already lived to be 35, will probably live to be 45 and might even make 50 is a wonderful bonus.

The probable paths of the Voyagers are known (follow either of the links I've posted to JPL's Voyager section and then browse from there to other stuff.) Both will continue their trajectories long after their deaths and pass near various other star system. There are gold-etched phonographic records on board so hypothetical aliens that find them can learn about humans.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby DaveH on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 pm

Wow - I never realised that there were such interesting threads as this one! :shock:
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:33 pm

saxitoxin wrote:What started as a trap to ensnare Metsfanmax has evolved into something more important.

LET'S BRING THIS BITCH BACK

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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Dukasaur wrote:There are gold-etched phonographic records on board so hypothetical aliens that find them can learn about humans.


They included records from the '70s? Hopefully they at least thought far ahead enough to put some Elton on there. What are the songs?
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Postby 2dimes on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:39 pm

They're pretty much all Disco since that was the future of music at the time.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:09 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:There are gold-etched phonographic records on board so hypothetical aliens that find them can learn about humans.


They included records from the '70s? Hopefully they at least thought far ahead enough to put some Elton on there. What are the songs?


They included a selection of influential pieces of music throughout the centuries, ranging from Bach and Mozart to Beethoven and Stravinsky.

Oh, and a Chuck Berry song.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:01 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
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That's awesome that not only are we creating space junk but space nuclear waste as well. O:)

The Sun spits out about 80 tonnes of radioactive waste every second. 80. Tonnes. Every. Second.

And the Sun is not a particularly energetic star.

Fear not, our contribution won't upset the apple cart...:)



True but solar radiation and decayed plutonium or whatever the hell they have in there are two totally different paint jobs! I'm just imagining some unsuspecting E.T.s taking the thing on board and frying their sperms or worse by cracking it open. :cry:
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby tzor on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:48 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Should NASA turn it around and put the pedal to the metal to get it back to the Earth?


Short answer; they can't. It's already out of fuel. It's been using gravity assist to get it from point A to point B.

Second it's really old technology. By the way, the Mars rovers are also old technology. Cutting edge technology isn't used in deep space because you can't go there when it breaks down. So Voyager wasn't even "new" technology for its day. It's really really old.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby tzor on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:51 pm

maxfaraday wrote:They did not give it solar panels? It could communicate forever.


Standard solar panels won't work past jupiter. Basically you need "stellar panels" and they would have to be massive.

You basically have to put a nuclear battery pack in any long range explorers.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby tzor on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:55 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:True but solar radiation and decayed plutonium or whatever the hell they have in there are two totally different paint jobs! I'm just imagining some unsuspecting E.T.s taking the thing on board and frying their sperms or worse by cracking it open.


First of all, space is extreemely massive.

Second of all, space is extreemely deadly. A small plutonium battery doesn't even form a blip on the potential dangers out there in space. Realize that the E.T. would be playing with forces far beyond our ability to comprehend just in order to travel freely through the stars fast enough to find, locate and capture the item in the first place.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby tzor on Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:57 pm

I should point there is absolutely no chance that it wil find a wormhole. :?

Absolutely positively no chance. :shock:

Well, if it does, don't worry, Kirk will save the day! :D
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:27 pm

Yeah, worms can't live in vacuum! Have you seen the way they squirm when you simply drop 'em in the water?
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:35 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Yeah, worms can't live in vacuum! Have you seen the way they squirm when you simply drop 'em in the water?


That was pretty cute. O:)
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:45 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Yeah, worms can't live in vacuum! Have you seen the way they squirm when you simply drop 'em in the water?

They're writhing in ecstasy because they know they will soon be part of Shai-Halud!
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:04 am

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jonesthecurl wrote:Yeah, worms can't live in vacuum! Have you seen the way they squirm when you simply drop 'em in the water?

They're writhing in ecstasy because they know they will soon be part of Shai-Halud!


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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby x-raider on Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:08 am

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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby spurgistan on Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:11 pm

Pretty sure the answer here is blow up the Sun.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:40 pm

tzor wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Should NASA turn it around and put the pedal to the metal to get it back to the Earth?


Short answer; they can't. It's already out of fuel. It's been using gravity assist to get it from point A to point B.

Second it's really old technology. By the way, the Mars rovers are also old technology. Cutting edge technology isn't used in deep space because you can't go there when it breaks down. So Voyager wasn't even "new" technology for its day. It's really really old.


So essentially the satellite is the dead car to our galactic front yard.

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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby karel on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:31 pm

i say blow the stupid thing up,nasa is a waste of money
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:51 pm

karel wrote:nasa is a waste of money


Agreed.
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:08 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
karel wrote:nasa is a waste of money


Agreed.


yeah, we need to spend more on killing each other. That's the important stuff. That and colourful confetti for our newest glorious leader who will surely solve all of our problems.

Even if nasa had not done one practically useful thing ever it would still be worth the money simply for what it symbolizes and for helping change the way we think about ourselves.

It has however done a shitload of practical things. first result on google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:18 pm

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
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karel wrote:nasa is a waste of money


Agreed.


yeah, we need to spend more on killing each other. That's the important stuff. That and colourful confetti for our newest glorious leader who will surely solve all of our problems.

Even if nasa had not done one practically useful thing ever it would still be worth the money simply for what it symbolizes and for helping change the way we think about ourselves.

It has however done a shitload of practical things. first result on google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies


Just because I think NASA is a waste means I am Pro-military? How does that work? Those are the only two options eh?
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Re: Should NASA turn Voyager I back around?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:35 am

Funkyterrance wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
karel wrote:nasa is a waste of money


Agreed.


yeah, we need to spend more on killing each other. That's the important stuff. That and colourful confetti for our newest glorious leader who will surely solve all of our problems.

Even if nasa had not done one practically useful thing ever it would still be worth the money simply for what it symbolizes and for helping change the way we think about ourselves.

It has however done a shitload of practical things. first result on google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologies


Just because I think NASA is a waste means I am Pro-military? How does that work? Those are the only two options eh?


It seems like one might want to first fix the gaping hole wasting tons of liters of water rather than the little crack wasting 500 grams.(which, turns out, aren't really wasted in the first place)
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