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Postby 2dimes on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:47 pm

Dude that's a totally old picture. She's 52 now.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:31 pm

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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:06 pm

Be thankful. Vachon will move into the void and their products are far superior to Hostess.

http://www.vachon.com/en/history/#1990 Look to the lower left.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby nietzsche on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:11 pm

Unions can be frivolous, whats the point of being the final nail in the company's coffin? Who's gonna give them a job now?
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:15 pm

notyou2 wrote:Be thankful. Vachon will move into the void and their products are far superior to Hostess.

http://www.vachon.com/en/history/#1990 Look to the lower left.


too late; word on the street is that nietzsche is at the front of a convoy of Bimbo Brands trucks queued at the Nuevo Laredo border crossing and ready to roll

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coming soon to the 7-11 ... pick-up a Bimbo snack cake and a Piñata ...

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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby nietzsche on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:54 pm

Bimbo's bakery has not as much frisco for American's taste.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:18 pm

Tell me if this is right or not. The offer from the company, they say to stay in business, was a 5% pay cut. And the unions turned it down.

How much is 5% of 28k? about $1400? What's the difference than if their health insurance costs rose 5% and were asked to pay? Certainly, health insurance average costs rose 10% last year....so.....

If I have this right, why did they turn down the 5% paycut? when the alternative is unemployment and yet another major blow to the American economy?
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:26 pm

Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:28 pm

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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:30 pm

notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.


Um.....the US economy lost 10's of thousands of jobs, IE 10's of thousands of taxpayers.

It's self evident, unless you can show how this is good or neutral for the US economy? I'm betting you won't, probably just call me some names...
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:35 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Tell me if this is right or not. The offer from the company, they say to stay in business, was a 5% pay cut. And the unions turned it down.

How much is 5% of 28k? about $1400? What's the difference than if their health insurance costs rose 5% and were asked to pay? Certainly, health insurance average costs rose 10% last year....so.....

If I have this right, why did they turn down the 5% paycut? when the alternative is unemployment and yet another major blow to the American economy?

$28K? So, $14 an hour, minus deductions? I can make more than that panhandling.

Below a certain point you're better off slinging your knapsack over your shoulder and going off to seek your fortune elsewhere. Working at a job that barely covers your basic cost-of-living doesn't make sense. If you aren't making more than COL you're not moving forward.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:40 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Tell me if this is right or not. The offer from the company, they say to stay in business, was a 5% pay cut. And the unions turned it down.

How much is 5% of 28k? about $1400? What's the difference than if their health insurance costs rose 5% and were asked to pay? Certainly, health insurance average costs rose 10% last year....so.....

If I have this right, why did they turn down the 5% paycut? when the alternative is unemployment and yet another major blow to the American economy?

$28K? So, $14 an hour, minus deductions? I can make more than that panhandling.

Below a certain point you're better off slinging your knapsack over your shoulder and going off to seek your fortune elsewhere. Working at a job that barely covers your basic cost-of-living doesn't make sense. If you aren't making more than COL you're not moving forward.


I was just blurting out a number. If you like, an employee making 50k would be cut 5k, or someone making 100k would be cut 10k.

It's not the case that all 18,000 of those employees who no longer have jobs makes 28k.

Also, i know people who make it a point to make less than 16k a year and goes on cruises, has a twice a week casino addiction, a flat screen in every room, and when she buys her kids a game for PS3, she gets 2 copies of the same game, so they don't have to share. So that's 16k..... you are way off about 28k barely covering the cost of living.

Luckily that is not the point here
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby notyou2 on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:48 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.


Um.....the US economy lost 10's of thousands of jobs, IE 10's of thousands of taxpayers.

It's self evident, unless you can show how this is good or neutral for the US economy? I'm betting you won't, probably just call me some names...


If the food that replaces Hostess on the shelf is from the US, there isn't necessarily a loss of jobs, perhaps a shift of jobs from one US place to another, but not necessarily a loss. I hope the junk food void is filled by crap made in Canada and the jobs go here.
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Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:49 pm

Maybe we all need to do our part and eat more hostess cakes so these workers have jobs again.
It really burns me when people think that they are deserving of their current employ when the demand for their industry just isn't there. For instance, at the annual town meeting where I live this past year budget cuts were discussed. One area that was suggested to be downsized was the police force and the cops went bonkers and instantly came back with "What are you suggesting we do, lay off policemen???!". Well, yeah, if we don't need them. Derp.
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