Unions Shut Down Hostess

\\OFF-TOPIC// conversations about everything that has nothing to do with Conquer Club.

Moderators: Community Team, Global Moderators

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Nola_Lifer on Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:38 pm

What reality do you live in?
employees have always been free to move on to more enterprising jobs elsewhere
. That shit ain't free bub. It costs money to quit and move to find another job. Maybe they enjoyed what they do but weren't satisfied with what was happening, so instead of packing up like a bunch of weaklings they stood their ground and demanded more.

Just because your entitled to another job doesn't mean jobs are out there, nor does it mean that you have the access or the means to.
Image
f*ck THE UNION LOUISIANA WILL RISE AGAIN
User avatar
Major Nola_Lifer
 
Posts: 815
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:46 pm
Location: 雪山
Medals: 61
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (1)
Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1)
Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (1)
Ratings Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (11) General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (12) Tournament Contribution (2)
General Contribution (1)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:09 pm

Nola_Lifer wrote:What reality do you live in?
employees have always been free to move on to more enterprising jobs elsewhere
. That shit ain't free bub. It costs money to quit and move to find another job. Maybe they enjoyed what they do but weren't satisfied with what was happening, so instead of packing up like a bunch of weaklings they stood their ground and demanded more.

Just because your entitled to another job doesn't mean jobs are out there, nor does it mean that you have the access or the means to.


that's why the part you deleted from my statement included "work at your current job while you look for another one"

ya stick
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:11 pm

And then they would just fire. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(


--Andy
User avatar
Corporal AndyDufresne
Retired Administrator
 
Posts: 25356
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:22 pm
Location: A Banana Palm in Zihuatanejo
Medals: 20
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) General Achievement (4) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:28 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:What reality do you live in?
employees have always been free to move on to more enterprising jobs elsewhere
. That shit ain't free bub. It costs money to quit and move to find another job. Maybe they enjoyed what they do but weren't satisfied with what was happening, so instead of packing up like a bunch of weaklings they stood their ground and demanded more.

Just because your entitled to another job doesn't mean jobs are out there, nor does it mean that you have the access or the means to.


that's why the part you deleted from my statement included "work at your current job while you look for another one"

ya stick


Except they weren't just being asked to work at their current job, they were being asked to work at their current job, for less...and clearly since you posted about their mediation, they will not have to work for as much less presumably, so in fact, they may have made the best decision for themselves after all, which is what capitalism is, and not taking one for the team, which is communism.
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:33 pm

and who are you giving credit for the mediation? did the workers take the higher road, or management?
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:28 pm

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


What's the difference? F*CK DA POLICE!
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1103
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (3)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby patches70 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:48 pm

The mediation has failed, the liquidation is back on.

Gumbo Bimbo has reportedly been denied the ability to purchase Hostess because of anti-trust laws. That means that the most likely buyer will be a PE firm and PE firm's don't like unions. Thus, the chances of Hostess being purchased and the Union being included has dropped dramatically.

Related, workers are beginning to turn on the Union because the union characterized it to the workers that a buyer would swoop in and purchase the company. Thereby preserving the company and the union. Grim reality is now setting in as the union workers are watching their play go south fast.

There is one other possible ending to this, and considering our politicians it's not too far fetched.
A bailout. The US government hijacking the bankruptcy process so they can preserve the 18K votes by screwing over the company's creditors.
It's happened before......
Corporal patches70
 
Posts: 549
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:44 pm
Medals: 2
Standard Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:00 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


What's the difference? F*CK DA POLICE!


note: promote the general welfare, not provide welfare
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:31 am

patches70 wrote:The mediation has failed, the liquidation is back on.

Gumbo Bimbo has reportedly been denied the ability to purchase Hostess because of anti-trust laws. That means that the most likely buyer will be a PE firm and PE firm's don't like unions. Thus, the chances of Hostess being purchased and the Union being included has dropped dramatically.

Related, workers are beginning to turn on the Union because the union characterized it to the workers that a buyer would swoop in and purchase the company. Thereby preserving the company and the union. Grim reality is now setting in as the union workers are watching their play go south fast.

There is one other possible ending to this, and considering our politicians it's not too far fetched.
A bailout. The US government hijacking the bankruptcy process so they can preserve the 18K votes by screwing over the company's creditors.
It's happened before......

We can hope, since it will be a while until another election, that we will be spared the nauseating sight of another taxpayer bailout, and the cadaver will be allowed to Rot In Peace.
User avatar
Captain Dukasaur
Head Socialite
Head Socialite
 
Posts: 10488
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Beautiful Niagara
Medals: 133
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (3)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (3)
Cross-Map Achievement (4) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (19)
General Achievement (14) Clan Achievement (9) Training Achievement (2) Challenge Achievement (3) Tournament Contribution (31)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby HapSmo19 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:15 am

That would be true irony, right?: the O'blabla admin/left clamping down on junkfood and "promoting public health" while bailing out the twinkie mine at the same time?
User avatar
Lieutenant HapSmo19
 
Posts: 119
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Location: Willamette Valley
Medals: 8
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby patches70 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:10 am

Dukasaur wrote:
patches70 wrote:The mediation has failed, the liquidation is back on.

Gumbo Bimbo has reportedly been denied the ability to purchase Hostess because of anti-trust laws. That means that the most likely buyer will be a PE firm and PE firm's don't like unions. Thus, the chances of Hostess being purchased and the Union being included has dropped dramatically.

Related, workers are beginning to turn on the Union because the union characterized it to the workers that a buyer would swoop in and purchase the company. Thereby preserving the company and the union. Grim reality is now setting in as the union workers are watching their play go south fast.

There is one other possible ending to this, and considering our politicians it's not too far fetched.
A bailout. The US government hijacking the bankruptcy process so they can preserve the 18K votes by screwing over the company's creditors.
It's happened before......

We can hope, since it will be a while until another election, that we will be spared the nauseating sight of another taxpayer bailout, and the cadaver will be allowed to Rot In Peace.


Yes, we can only hope.

For what it's worth, if my employers one day turned around and said they'd have to cut my pay then I'd just quit. I wouldn't put up with that for a second. A deal is a deal after all.

Hap Smo 10 wrote:That would be true irony, right?: the O'blabla admin/left clamping down on junkfood and "promoting public health" while bailing out the twinkie mine at the same time?


Yes, ironic. Hypocrisy comes to mind as well.

As you all may or may not know, when a company goes into such a process the US Justice Department appoints a trustee. In the case of Hostess this trustee is one Tracy Hope Davis. Davis asked the judge to change Hostesses Chapter 11 to a Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

Under chapter 11 it is the creditors who act as the trustee. Under chapter 7 it is the government appointed trustee who supervises the wind down.

The Justice trustee is standard in all bankruptcies. But in a chapter 11 the trustee simply checks all the books and makes sure nothing criminal is going on.

Under a chapter 7 it will be the government who decides who gets what, much to the chagrin of the creditors. I haven't heard how this went down with the judge yet. But if it goes that route then you could see effectively a stealth nationalization of Hostess.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-1 ... idate.html

A lot of this is just standard procedure and the company will likely just be liquidated, but considering the government track record, stranger things have happened.....
Corporal patches70
 
Posts: 549
Joined: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:44 pm
Medals: 2
Standard Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (1)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:33 pm

Dagny Taggart exposes the union...
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:12 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Dagny Taggart exposes the union...

As I've said to you before, Ayn paints a beautiful picture but it is not the real world. The real business world is not populated by Howard Roarks and Dagny Taggarts. The real business world is populated mostly by Wesley Mouches and Owen Kelloggs. They deserve everything the unions give them.
User avatar
Captain Dukasaur
Head Socialite
Head Socialite
 
Posts: 10488
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Beautiful Niagara
Medals: 133
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (3)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (3)
Cross-Map Achievement (4) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (19)
General Achievement (14) Clan Achievement (9) Training Achievement (2) Challenge Achievement (3) Tournament Contribution (31)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:22 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Dagny Taggart exposes the union...

As I've said to you before, Ayn paints a beautiful picture but it is not the real world. The real business world is not populated by Howard Roarks and Dagny Taggarts. The real business world is populated mostly by Wesley Mouches and Owen Kelloggs. They deserve everything the unions give them.


I might agree, but that doesn't mean that they are. The upper management took 99.9% paycuts to keep the company running, in this case...

I just wanted to share the clip. It's not meant to be taken literally
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:33 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
I just wanted to share the clip. It's not meant to be taken literally


Granted, it's a good scene.
User avatar
Captain Dukasaur
Head Socialite
Head Socialite
 
Posts: 10488
Joined: Sat Nov 20, 2010 4:49 pm
Location: Beautiful Niagara
Medals: 133
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (3)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (3)
Cross-Map Achievement (4) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (19)
General Achievement (14) Clan Achievement (9) Training Achievement (2) Challenge Achievement (3) Tournament Contribution (31)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Evil Semp on Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:59 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I might agree, but that doesn't mean that they are. The upper management took 99.9% paycuts to keep the company running, in this case...


When did they take those pay cuts? The cuts were only in effect until Dec. 31. Would the employee pay cuts only be in effect until Dec. 31? Only four executives under the CEO agreed to have their pay cut to $1. Others agreed to have their pay brought back to the level it was at before the raises. Permanent pay cuts for the workers and temporary cuts for the executives. Sounds fair to me.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp
http://radicalruss.com/hostess-ceo-greg ... f-company/
Image
User avatar
Lieutenant Evil Semp
Multi Hunter
Multi Hunter
 
Posts: 7125
Joined: Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:50 pm
Medals: 77
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (3)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3)
Beta Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (2) Tournament Achievement (21) General Achievement (6) Clan Achievement (1)
General Contribution (11)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 22, 2012 4:11 am

Evil Semp wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I might agree, but that doesn't mean that they are. The upper management took 99.9% paycuts to keep the company running, in this case...


When did they take those pay cuts? The cuts were only in effect until Dec. 31. Would the employee pay cuts only be in effect until Dec. 31? Only four executives under the CEO agreed to have their pay cut to $1. Others agreed to have their pay brought back to the level it was at before the raises. Permanent pay cuts for the workers and temporary cuts for the executives. Sounds fair to me.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp
http://radicalruss.com/hostess-ceo-greg ... f-company/


we've already decided that nothing the management does or did do or could do would be good enough....

Regardless, they took a lot of cuts. They took one for the team. Of course they are not going to make 1$ a year forever (think of all the tax revenue lost! :o ) And of course it's a short term plan. when the company is teetering on the brink of solvency, everything is short term. They didn't even make it to December 31st, so I don't see any point making a issue about "only taking the cuts till dec 31st" and I would put more stock into "now its the other sides turn to take one for the team" The workers did not, so they did not make it to dec 31st

Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:30 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:I might agree, but that doesn't mean that they are. The upper management took 99.9% paycuts to keep the company running, in this case...


When did they take those pay cuts? The cuts were only in effect until Dec. 31. Would the employee pay cuts only be in effect until Dec. 31? Only four executives under the CEO agreed to have their pay cut to $1. Others agreed to have their pay brought back to the level it was at before the raises. Permanent pay cuts for the workers and temporary cuts for the executives. Sounds fair to me.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/hostess.asp
http://radicalruss.com/hostess-ceo-greg ... f-company/


we've already decided that nothing the management does or did do or could do would be good enough....



Actually, it seems management decided on that, not anyone else.
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:31 am

Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:33 am

AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:


the comment is for the communist, not from one

hurry up and get over whatever bullshit you are on lately. You make lots of good posts and the kind you make lately distract from that
Last edited by Phatscotty on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:34 am

Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:


the comment is for the communist, not from one


Choose to believe what you want, but if you truly understood capitalism and communism, you'd understand your notion is communistic at its very core. Mind you, Im not even suggesting that you're wrong per-se, only that the entire idea reeks of communism.
Last edited by AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:35 am

AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:


the comment is for the communist, not from one


Choose to believe what you want, but if you truly understood capitalism and communism, you'd understand your notion is communistic at its very core.


I would be interested to hear you speak on that in more detail
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:37 am

Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:


the comment is for the communist, not from one


Choose to believe what you want, but if you truly understood capitalism and communism, you'd understand your notion is communistic at its very core.


I would be interested to hear you speak on that in more detail


Simple. Capitalism is people working to make their situation better for themselves. Communism is everyone working to make the community better.

I could go on and explain in detail, but clearly you dont even understand capitalism on a basic level, so Ill start with the beginners course.
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:40 am

AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Now none of them have jobs. Now there are no tax revenues being generated


Again with your communist notions, pinkoscotty. :roll:


the comment is for the communist, not from one


Choose to believe what you want, but if you truly understood capitalism and communism, you'd understand your notion is communistic at its very core.


I would be interested to hear you speak on that in more detail


Simple. Capitalism is people working to make their situation better for themselves. Communism is everyone working to make the community better.


How does that relate to this topic? or anything I have said?
"I want you to remember that, to remind you to stay out of my way. In all the years to come, in all your most private moments, I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you."
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
SoC Training Adviser
 
Posts: 2123
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm
Medals: 90
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (4) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (3) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (3) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2) Battle Royale Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (5)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (10) Training Achievement (6) Challenge Achievement (1) Tournament Contribution (12)

Re: Unions Shut Down Hostess

Postby AAFitz on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:45 am

Phatscotty wrote:How does that relate to this topic?


You just asked me to explain why your comments were communistic, and I did. You suggesting they should even consider taking one for the team, or lost tax revenue is communistic by its very nature, whereas as capitalists none of those concerns should matter in the decision making process, because capitalism is based on people doing whats best for them individually, which in turn makes everything better overall...

Its awesome that you don't even see it. It should have been obvious to anyone who pretends to be a capitalist and an American as often as you do. It's nice to see your real philosophies are different than your stated ones. Not that its surprising.
john9blue wrote:"honestly i think martin might be better off dead"

sekretar: "i go to russia and then, without comp, i hoppe, i forgot this shit who kill my nerves long time!"
User avatar
Lieutenant AAFitz
 
Posts: 7222
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1
Medals: 84
Monthly Leader Bronze (1) Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (4) Quadruples Achievement (3)
Terminator Achievement (2) Assassin Achievement (3) Manual Troops Achievement (4) Freestyle Achievement (4) Polymorphic Achievement (2)
Nuclear Spoils Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (4) Teammate Achievement (3)
Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (8) General Achievement (2)
Clan Achievement (8) Tournament Contribution (8) General Contribution (2)

PreviousNext

Return to Babble-On Five

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: PLAYER57832

Login