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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:04 pm

A priest.

I'm sort of agreeing with you, btw, by saying it was the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of feudalism or whatever you crazy economists are calling it nowadays, and just noting that the Church's complacency/encouragement of the system is a significant, but not necessarily the hugest, factor. Also: Modern Monetary Theory.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:23 pm

Neoteny wrote:A priest.

I'm sort of agreeing with you, btw, by saying it was the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of feudalism or whatever you crazy economists are calling it nowadays, and just noting that the Church's complacency/encouragement of the system is a significant, but not necessarily the hugest, factor. Also: Modern Monetary Theory.


Sorry... I get angry easily these days. I don't have BBS to fall back on. In fact, when he does get back, I think I may start internet fights with him.

I'm not trying to paint the Catholic Church as a paragon of virtue during this period... because it wasn't. But there is no evidence to suggest scientific advancement would have progressed faster if there was no Catholic Church.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:34 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Neoteny wrote:A priest.

I'm sort of agreeing with you, btw, by saying it was the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of feudalism or whatever you crazy economists are calling it nowadays, and just noting that the Church's complacency/encouragement of the system is a significant, but not necessarily the hugest, factor. Also: Modern Monetary Theory.


Sorry... I get angry easily these days. I don't have BBS to fall back on. In fact, when he does get back, I think I may start internet fights with him.

I'm not trying to paint the Catholic Church as a paragon of virtue during this period... because it wasn't. But there is no evidence to suggest scientific advancement would have progressed faster if there was no Catholic Church.


I get angry too. That's why I've been away.

Anyhow, that's like saying there is no evidence for god. Everything is evidence. It's just how you use it to support your ideas. Evidence that the Church slowed scientific advancement include whipping up xenophobia for crusades, teaching poverty and submission as virtues, and a somewhat restrictive ethical perspective all contributed in varying amounts to delaying scientific progress. You may not agree with me, but I disagree with any reasons you have for believing in god, and yet those reasons should still be considered evidentiary to some standard. But I'm picking nits. The Catholic Church was not systematically repressing scientists in my opinion, but still contributed to slowed scientific advancement. The Church was actively trying to narrow perspectives at many points, and science flounders in such situations.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:43 pm

Neoteny wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Neoteny wrote:A priest.

I'm sort of agreeing with you, btw, by saying it was the fall of the Roman Empire and the rise of feudalism or whatever you crazy economists are calling it nowadays, and just noting that the Church's complacency/encouragement of the system is a significant, but not necessarily the hugest, factor. Also: Modern Monetary Theory.


Sorry... I get angry easily these days. I don't have BBS to fall back on. In fact, when he does get back, I think I may start internet fights with him.

I'm not trying to paint the Catholic Church as a paragon of virtue during this period... because it wasn't. But there is no evidence to suggest scientific advancement would have progressed faster if there was no Catholic Church.


I get angry too. That's why I've been away.

Anyhow, that's like saying there is no evidence for god. Everything is evidence. It's just how you use it to support your ideas. Evidence that the Church slowed scientific advancement include whipping up xenophobia for crusades, teaching poverty and submission as virtues, and a somewhat restrictive ethical perspective all contributed in varying amounts to delaying scientific progress. You may not agree with me, but I disagree with any reasons you have for believing in god, and yet those reasons should still be considered evidentiary to some standard. But I'm picking nits. The Catholic Church was not systematically repressing scientists in my opinion, but still contributed to slowed scientific advancement. The Church was actively trying to narrow perspectives at many points, and science flounders in such situations.


I can get on board with the idea that the Catholic Church did not independently foster an environment for scientific thought. However, I think the Catholic Church is low on that list (but that's a quibble).
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:45 pm

Anyhow, I've made sure that none of the beer in my house will be wasted if jesus comes back tomorrow.
Now I'm working on the wine.
How you guys doing with using up all that oil and coal?
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:19 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Anyhow, I've made sure that none of the beer in my house will be wasted if jesus comes back tomorrow.
Now I'm working on the wine.
How you guys doing with using up all that oil and coal?


I drank some beer over the weekend. Sorry.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby crispybits on Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:38 pm

I just ate all the pies....
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Timminz on Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:47 pm

I'm working on the beer thing too.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Neoteny on Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:48 pm

A brief literature review indicates we as a civilization are on track for total beer consumption pre-rapture.

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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:12 pm

hic!
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby notyou2 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:53 pm

I'll drink the rum.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:59 pm

I bet all those people are starving in Africa because they sinned by not driving Hummers and eating Cheez Doodles.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby jonesthecurl on Tue Dec 04, 2012 11:33 pm

pimpdave wrote:I bet all those people are starving in Africa because they sinned by not driving Hummers and eating Cheez Doodles.



No they sinned by not digging up all the gold, diamonds, and oil before the white guys got there.
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby daddy1gringo on Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:49 am

thegreekdog wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:Anyhow, I've made sure that none of the beer in my house will be wasted if jesus comes back tomorrow.
Now I'm working on the wine.
How you guys doing with using up all that oil and coal?


I drank some beer over the weekend. Sorry.
crispybits wrote:I just ate all the pies....
Timminz wrote:I'm working on the beer thing too.
Neoteny wrote:A brief literature review indicates we as a civilization are on track for total beer consumption pre-rapture.

High fives all around.
jonesthecurl wrote:hic!
notyou2 wrote:I'll drink the rum.
I'm working on the chocolate.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:33 am

Sigh, fine, I'll take care of the brandy.

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Once a true Christian found out that the pollution that he/she was creating was harming his fellow man he would do what he could to prevent this harm. Exterminating everyone who isn't a Christian isn't a Christian belief. You are confusing Christian beliefs from the beliefs of certain individual "Christians", as is the OP.


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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby daddy1gringo on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:31 am

Of course the thread is based on the false premise that what these 2 grunks said is representative of what Christians believe. I've been a Christian (that is a Jesus-freak-type Christian) for 37 years, and read and listen to a lot of discussion, and although I have heard a lot of nonsense along woth a lot of truth, I have never heard anything like this.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:59 am

daddy1gringo wrote:Of course the thread is based on the false premise that what these 2 grunks said is representative of what Christians believe. I've been a Christian (that is a Jesus-freak-type Christian) for 37 years, and read and listen to a lot of discussion, and although I have heard a lot of nonsense along woth a lot of truth, I have never heard anything like this.

Plus they did not say what Dave wrote either. Sure it was sort of similar yet there was no "an insult to God." mentioned.

They believed it was a bad to waste it by leaving it in the ground. Reaching that conclusion because of a parable about investing and managing other people's money for them. That happened to include someone burying money.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:00 pm

daddy1gringo wrote:Of course the thread is based on the false premise that what these 2 grunks said is representative of what Christians believe. I've been a Christian (that is a Jesus-freak-type Christian) for 37 years, and read and listen to a lot of discussion, and although I have heard a lot of nonsense along woth a lot of truth, I have never heard anything like this.

I didn't read the OP because my cardiologist demanded I not read anything PD says due to blood pressure concerns. So for me, this thread only became interesting based on what Metsfan said.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:39 pm

Dukasaur wrote:So for me, this thread only became interesting based on what Metsfan said.

Christians embodied by the Roman Catholic Church are holding him back from driving a solar powered hovercraft on the Internet?

Edit: I suppose vocal outcasts like the guys in the OP represent Christians also.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby tzor on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:44 pm

I HATE INTERNET EXPLORER. THAT IS ALL. (OTHERWISE BRILLIANT POST DELTED BY ACCIDENTAL KEY STROKE.)
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby notyou2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:52 pm

tzor wrote:I HATE INTERNET EXPLORER. THAT IS ALL. (OTHERWISE BRILLIANT POST DELTED BY ACCIDENTAL KEY STROKE.)


Wrong thread. The computer bloopers is 6 pages back.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby notyou2 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:52 pm

Or god willed it.
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Re: Is Not Using Fossil Fuels an Insult to God?

Postby 2dimes on Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:34 pm

notyou2 wrote:
tzor wrote:I HATE INTERNET EXPLORER. THAT IS ALL. (OTHERWISE BRILLIANT POST DELTED BY ACCIDENTAL KEY STROKE.)


Wrong thread. The computer bloopers is 6 pages back.

Who did it, tzor or one of his cats?
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