Viceroy63 wrote:Originally posted in the forum thread below and reposted here because it pertains to this topic of the theory of evoloution not being factual but a myth of science.
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I would add to Universalchiro's statement that the Geological Sedimentary Column is NOT Science fact but presented as truth that Evolution of life did happen on this planet when in fact it is only proof that heavier sediments drop faster than lighter sediments in a world wide flood like situation. That is all that it proves. Why Scientist and Teachers continue to lie to us and to small school children (innocent trusting minds) must be out of pride and unwilling to say that they are wrong. Or probably for fear of losing their employments if they did teach the truth, as has happened repeatedly when Teachers do teach the truth to children, they simply get fired.
The above is just plain false, on several fronts, and goes a long way to explain why creationism is not just "another idea", but a real and true THREAT to science and, ultimately, to our way of life which is very much heavily based upon science. More importantly, solving the world's problems depends on understanding science.
.... or pretending that God teaches us to just pray for miracles whenever things get rough, which is a very serious distortion of the Bible, but very much what many who are behind the proliferation of creationism seem to think. That is, they are fine with humans continuing to destroy the earth and not understand its processes, because to them, that just means God will return more quickly. Its NOT a biblical theology, its a pretended biblical theology.
Anyway, first, the "column" presented uses dates that have little to do with modern understanding of Earth's time scale and development. Second, that this is just not how the geologic column is used. Its why so many of us have more or less let your claims about the "geologic column" go, because nothing you are talking about is anything scientists really say or use. What you are putting forward is a false idea, misunderstandings and intentional distortions which anti-science folks then dispute as some kind of "proof" that science is just wrong. The column is not, as claimed used to prove evolution, nor was it developed as stated above.
Viceroy63 wrote:The fact is that the Geo. Column only exist in text books and not in real life. If the sedimentary Column was in fact real it would reach down 150 miles into the earth. Also for some reason, you can't find some layers in some parts of the world where they do appear in others??? What happened there for those millions of years? In some columns certain creatures are found in a certain layer while in other columns in other parts of the world, the same creatures are found in completely different layers of those columns. Can anyone explain how that could happen over millions of Years of sediments? No because it's a bullshit lie that they tell us in school.
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to begin, as noted, there is not one, uniform, "geologic column", not really. Instead, we have many, many series of columns and records. Some are quite visible to the naked eye along stream canyons or road cuts. Others records have been obtained through core samples.. some into the ocean or lakes, some on currently dry land. BUT, left alone, they give only very limited information.
What is missed is how thoroughly all of this has been tied together and how.
I will go simple, because going into all of it is more than any one person can do in several volumes, never mind a relatively short internet post.
Anyway, take the most modern examples. Science always works from the known to the unknown, usually forward back because we tend to know more about modern and less about more ancient times (with a few exceptions). Anyway, look at the most recent Icelandic volcanic eruption. It spread ash over a very, very wide area, probably all the Earth, but for simplicity sake, say just a "wide area". Anyway, we know exactly when that eruption happened, and we have instruments to identify the ash very precisely.
Similar events have happened all over the world at various times. Mt St Helens.... even Mt Vesuvious (the one associated with Pompeii). These happened in recorded human history and are therefore very, very verifiable through multiple sources. We can readily see exactly what happens to that sediment int he times between eruptions. Now, the above sentences try to claim that no such markers happen, that the sediments just filter down, depending on how heavy they are.
Its not just volcanoes, though. Floods, even massive windstorms... ALL leave known traces and markers that are identifiable. The sites you look to wish to claim none of that data exists, that no one bothered to verify or really study it. Why would they offer such a flat out lie? If they have real information that refutes what these thousands of geologists have found over many decades, in some cases over centuries, then why do they insist on pretending that the data and research just never happened, that all geology is essentially just some invention of a group of folks with an agenda? And what agenda? To refute Christianity is one they often put forward, but the REAL truth is that many, many of those scientists are actually believing Christians!!! Why the lies by young earthers? Why the heavy distortion and denial of evidence if they are truly representing Christ and truth and reality?
Again, I have kept it simple and direct, but make no mistake EVERYTHING I have put forward is fully verifiable by not just a few select pretended "Christian" sites (no one who puts forward flat lies can claim to represent Christ truly!), but by multiple evidence-based sites.
Viceroy63 wrote:The fact is that the sedimentary column did not take millions of years to form but happened rather quickly in a world wide flood. That is the only explanation that answer these questions. The G. Column was created by believers of the Bible to explain a world wide flood and then later it was perverted by so called, "men of science" to show how evolution happened when there is really no proof what so ever that evolution of life ever happen on this or any other world what so ever!!!
More distortions. In fact, that the entire "geologic column" happened just from Noah's flood very much IS proven false.. not just disputed, but flat out false. See, we DO know what happens with floods, even very large floods. Floods are not that uncommon an occurance. Certainly, a flood the size of Noah's flood is unique, but nothing in such an event would show the multiple layers of wide evidence that exists to show how old the Earth is.. and note, the age of the Earth and whether evolution happened are two very different questions.
That is yet another falsehood in the above. See, the whole claim that the "geologic column" is proof of evolution is just wrong. Layers of sediment are used to date strata, to date various layers and, ultimately, to date the Earth. Evolution is based on fossils. But, there are many, many areas and strata that don't have fossils and that still can be dated, that provide evidence of Earth's history or landform processes. Fossils only happen in very specific circumstances. Where they occur, they can be used, in conjunction with information about various layers to establish a relative time frame. However, to find what the fossils are requires looking at other data, comparing to other fossils, and establishing any kind of date, even a relative time frame, requires comparison to other data. To place a relative set of strata in an absolute time frame requires far more evidence and proof.
That is, if I say that Johnny is ten years older than his brother and 20 years younger than his dad, then I know that his brother is also 30 years younger than their dad. That is a relative time frame. it is accurate, but that relative frame would be accurate whether Johnny were born 10 years ago, 50 years ago or 500 years ago. If I take a core sample from a lake bottom, I can see that the top layer is younger than the next layer and so forth, but to actually date it, or place the location, I would have to either know where the sample was from or have some other way of verifying/tying the sample into real time data. All the above paragraphs are really saying is that we have many disjointed samples and many places that don't tie together well or at all. HOWEVER, what they don't say is that there are places where we have a pretty complete record. Omitting that type of information is not just a minor glitch. Its pretty major. In fact, it flat out makes the article you posted a lie.
Viceroy63 wrote:Check out this quote...
Misconception No. 1.
The geologic column was constructed by geologists who, because of the weight of the evidence that they had found, were convinced of the truth of uniformitarian theory and organic evolution.
Even if this opinion were true, no evidence has been presented... and, no, the following is not evidence
Viceroy63 wrote:The Truth:
It may sound surprising, but the standard geologic column was devised before 1860 by catastrophists who were creationists.1 Adam Sedgewick, Roderick Murchison, William Coneybeare, and others affirmed that the earth was formed largely by catastrophic processes, and that the earth and life were created. These men stood for careful empirical science and were not compelled to believe evolutionary speculation or side with uniformitarian theory. Although most would be called "progressive creationists" in today's terminology, they would not be pleased to see all the evolutionary baggage that has been loaded onto their classification of strata.
Whether these guys were or were not creationist hardly matters. It was 1860. Most of the information we have was utterly unknown, a lot of the technology used to make modern determinations were not even invented. Personally, if these guys were Christian and scientists, then I think they would be dismayed to find their names tied to a pack of flat out liars and science disputers. In fact, I suspect they would consider it blasphemy.
Viceroy63 wrote:http://www.ukapologetics.net/08/geologiccolumn.htm