jonesthecurl wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:Viceroy63 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:MeDeFe wrote:Actually, there can be no order if not first for chaos. Just like you can have imperfection and then reach perfection through improvement. Nothing else makes sense, really. How would you know what order is if you have never seen chaos? That's like saying that something is light before you ever saw the darkness. How would you know? The word order itself indicates a prior chaotic state.
How can that be so? If God was sitting on everything (including Himself cuz he's God), and if this brings order, then chaos need not be prior. The beginning of the universe was a new type of order--not from chaos, but from an orderly arrangement on which God was sitting.
Stalin; You are missing the point. There was nothing for God to sit on in the first place. No universe, nothing. Only God existed. Time and Space and Matter were all created things. Things which He created and from nothing brought into existence, the universe. Even Science agrees to that.
So there was no Chaos or Order. God therefore being perfect creates all things perfect while the imperfect false gods which imperfect men create, create imperfectly. That is how "Chaos" is created first into existence from a false god.
That is also why the theory of evolution is a false and imperfect assumption, because it is created by fallible and imperfect beings like the false God that they create as well.
Here we go again. Reference please, especially for the Science with a capital "S".
A response. viceroy? or your third la-la-la I can't hear you?
(I'm not counting anyone else's challenges at this point, or a number of others of mine which you honestly might have missed in the general flak that comes in your direction).
But your continual appeals to unimpeachable authority which you can't then back up are beginning to be tiresome.
You are so funny with your, "la-la-la I can't hear you?" Please don't think that I am trying to ignore anyone but you obviously don't seem to understand that If I am ask one or two questions at a time then I can actually answer one or two questions at a time. But if I am overwhelmed with questions and comments and most of it hateful, insulting and arrogant, Then I have to ignore them and you, and stay on track with the thread, which is that evolution is a lie. And the evidence is posted for all to see. Any one who reads the Original Post will see the evidence posted, that is.
If asked a question, then I will answer one question but if asked 100 stupid questions then I may answer one (or two of the) stupid questions but I will ignore the other 99 stupid questions. I am after all just ONE man who can see the truth and I am not going to get angry with those who disagree with me because they can't see the truth. But I certainly do understand human nature and why people get upset with me for speaking the truth. It's only human! But I am better than that and so I refuse to be upset with them even if they are upset with me. But if you want to think that I am going, "la-la-la I can't hear you?" then that's your problem and hopefully one day you'll grow up and out of that childish mentality.
As to the statement that "Even science agrees with It!" That has been shown for the past 40 or 50 years now that the universe had a beginning and science and astronomy has confirmed this logically. That you don't know this, is only a reflection of how much you don't know. And that's OK too because everyone does not have to know all things all the time. I just do happen to know what I am talking about when I say that "Science agrees to that." The universe did have a beginning and in fact came from nothing. Science agrees to that and the greatest science text book ever written, The Holy Bible, teaches this 2,000 years ago, before any modern day scientist ever realized the truth.
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
But if you can't take the Bible's word for that then how about an actual human being who has a degree from some university?