crispybits wrote:Again you miss the real point Viceroy, any organisation seeking the truth doesn't start of from any preconceptions and look to make reality fit into whatever those are, they start off from a totally blank slate and whatever they find and can prove is the truth.
So why don't Evolutionist follow that rule? Why is the fact that Archeology, History, Prophecy and revealed knowledge that support the Biblical claim of creation not looked into and rejected by Darwinist, all the while the Darwinian Hoax is perpetrated on a gullible humanity and boasted as fact?
First and foremost, stop pretending that this is about the BIBLICAL view of creation versus science. It is rather a debate between a portion of folks within Christianity, almost all not scientists and most of the scientists not trained in either biology OR geology and the rest of Christianity, virtually all Jews, most people subscribing to other religions and a smattering of atheists and folks who subscribe to no particular belief.
Get that clear, because it is the very firm truth.. and denying that means you are working with a whole range of pretense.
Beyond that, every time young earthers are given the opportunity to present their "new found data", it is just wrong. I have myself more than a few times gone through various postings on the Institute for Creation Research, back when it was still based in Pasadena mostly, and critiqued them. Mostly, they don't even meet the standards of real science. Two classics are the "study" of the spiney anteater, where among other things these "wonderful scientists" claimed that they had "fully studied" a particular area and not found any evidence of a link.. there for it was just more proof that evolution was wrong.
A. Four years of not finding something is not enough to prove much of anything. I have been party to studies that have gone on for over 50 years.. and STILL found new never before seen species or data. Saying you did not find anything in a 4 year study just means that that particular study did not find anything in 4 years. year 5 might have yielded results.. or year 55. ONLY someone pretty much ignoring the scientific process would even begin to make such an assertion. Dr Morris ilk make these types of claims over and over and over. Further, there were no published details about methods or procedures. A LOT of studies fail due to poor design.
B. evolutionists are also stumped. See, lacking data means they don't have the answer.. not that there is no answer. The proof of the evolution of the spiney anteater is the presence of the spiney anteater. The puzzle is how it got there. Saying "insert God" might make a nice philosophical debate, but for science you have to have someting provable. That isn't.What makes it less than science and into something actually dangerous is that folks like them and you want to claim not just that you see this gap as a problem.. and think there might be another answer than provided already, you want to claim that this lack of an answer is equal to proof that the entire group of theories combined into evolutionary thinking are wrong, simply because there is no easy, ready answer... yet to this question (or many others).
Viceroy63 wrote:There is evidence for God but anti-God scientist such as yourselves just don't want to hear it. For example...
NIce try, but no.
And you might ask yourself why this bit of utterly false information is so important to folks like Dr Morris to promote? WHY do they persist in claiming that those who accept evolution, scientific basis for proving facts and so forth are necessarily against God, atheistic or worse? In fact, the opposite is very true. Most scientists do have faith, do believe in God in one way or another. In the US, this is most commonly Christianity and Judaism, though other religions are gaining ground numerically.
Viceroy63 wrote:Thousands of years before Scientist figured out that it is best to wash your hands before going from patient to patient, the Bible was already claiming this. Untold thousand of woman giving birth would die because Doctors went from one patient to the next and never washed their hands.
The Bible said this, so did Asians, so did south American groups... etc, etc. Some things are just fact.
HOWEVER, you present and interesting concept when you talk about the ignorance. See, it was the western idea that they had to ignore anything not fully western and of their narrow vision of Christianity, in particular that has led to a lot of these errors. Interestingly, that problem was not seen as often where Christianity was not begun.
Viceroy63 wrote:This is evidence of a God revealing knowledge that a people of their time could not have gained in any other way. This is rejected evidence by Anti-God scientist such as yourself.
NO, its evidence of you reciting something without bothering to verify if it actually is even true.
Many other cultures with no knowledge of the Bible, none-the-less firmly believed in cleanliness. In many cases, they had knowledge, still have knowledge of medicines and antibiotic substances that western "scientists" ignored for a long time because their arrogant assumption was that no "primitive" and particularly not Christian society could know much of anything worthwhile.
LOL... not right now, I have to go, maybe later.
In the meantime, how about you visit just a few of the many websites to which we have directed you.. websites that show what you claim to be true just isn't.
Acts 7:22 tells us that …“Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians…” Yet scientific ignorance is conspicuous by its absence in the first five books of the Bible, written by Moses approximately 1491-1451 B.C. In fact the Torah (or law of Moses) not only reveals advanced principles and knowledge about hygiene, quarantine and sanitation far superior to that possessed by the Egyptians and other ancient societies of that day, but also far exceeded medical standards practiced as recently as 100 years ago. Where did Moses get this advanced information?
You are really stepping into ignorance here, sorry. The Egyptians are known to have done brain surgery.
I can go on about THAT topic a lot, but right now, I have to go... so until later....