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While there is certainly proof that mutations do occur in nature; There is absolutely no real evidence to support the theory of evolution at this time (for over the past 150 years of "Dino-digging"). Including the sedimentary column.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby crispybits on Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:44 pm

0,040 hours per week, times
0,050 weeks in a year, minus 2 weeks vacation and sick leave is...
2,000 "Man Hours" per year.


-24 - "Man-Hours" in a "Man-Day" times
365 - "Man-Days" in a "Man-Year," we then arrive at...
8,760 "Man-Hours" in just one "Man-Year." So that just one "Man-Year" is the same as 8,760 "Man-Hours."


Nice try Viceroy - but you're still talking shit... Either a man-year is 2000 man-hours or it's 8760 man-hours, it can't be both depending on whatever best suits your argument...

(unless of course you're suggesting that Noah worked 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 100 years and so did anyone helping him?)
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:12 pm

...and what happened to his day job for that 100 years?
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:13 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:...and what happened to his day job for that 100 years?


I'm sure you know very well that the most successful comedians don't need a day job.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:14 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:...and what happened to his day job for that 100 years?


I'm sure you know very well that the most successful comedians don't need a day job.


Ha! You know less about comedy than Viceroy does about shipbuilding.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby notyou2 on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:16 pm

Who gathered and looked after the animals, insects, plants, etc? How much time did that take?


PS: To the OP. This thread might have a tad more legitimacy if you actually gave real choices for the pole.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:17 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:...and what happened to his day job for that 100 years?


I'm sure you know very well that the most successful comedians don't need a day job.


Ha! You know less about comedy than Viceroy does about shipbuilding.


The first person that came to mind was Dane Cook. A Christian.

I smell a conspiracy.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:31 pm

Wasn't he in the Muppets?
Oh, no, he was Swedish.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:49 pm

Next question: how much of the flood came from the rain and how much from the "fountains of the deep"?
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:30 am

...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:46 am

jonesthecurl wrote:...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?


I found this informative image for you, Jonesy. I am pretty sure it'll satisfy all your scientific inquiries.

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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:46 am

jonesthecurl wrote:...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?


Ancient Hebrews believed the world existed as three planes. They thought the circular, flat Earth was us, then the heavens above, and underneath was the waters of the deep or underworld. Something to do with creation, iirc. So, it was arranged like floors in a building with creation separating the three.

This is reflected in the Ark's construction of three decks.

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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Frigidus on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:36 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?


Ancient Hebrews believed the world existed as three planes. They thought the circular, flat Earth was us, then the heavens above, and underneath was the waters of the deep or underworld. Something to do with creation, iirc. So, it was arranged like floors in a building with creation separating the three.

This is reflected in the Ark's construction of three decks.

-TG


Yeah, well there probably is a shitload of water underground. I mean, come on, has anyone ever seen the core of the earth? If I can't see it then generally accepted science is probably wrong. Whatever the Bible says goes.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby crispybits on Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:01 am

Plus dry land is always higher up than the sea - so it makes sense that water sits underneath the land - why didn't we realise this before!!!
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:03 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?


Ancient Hebrews believed the world existed as three planes. They thought the circular, flat Earth was us, then the heavens above, and underneath was the waters of the deep or underworld. Something to do with creation, iirc. So, it was arranged like floors in a building with creation separating the three.

This is reflected in the Ark's construction of three decks.

-TG


You're being way too liberal with the word "Flat." No where is it even indicated that the Hebrews believed in a flat earth. In fact the opposite, they knew that the earth was round like a ball and the language tends to lean in that direction.

BTW: This marks my one thousandths (1,000) post.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:00 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Next question: how much of the flood came from the rain and how much from the "fountains of the deep"?


You may have missed the question that I asked here, Viceroy. You have responded since but not replied to this one.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:05 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
So a hundred years to build a huge Ark? Only a few people actually working on that huge dry dock?

It's possible!


Well the Titanic took about 9,000 man-years.


Uuuuhhh Yeah; Sure thing buddy. ;)
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No need to provide any references here???

Actually, yes you do. You keep referring to "the Bible", but a lot of what you quote does not appear in original translations of that document. Much actually is just inferences you or other people try to make based on the words within the Bible, not words in the Bible itself.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:32 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
So a hundred years to build a huge Ark? Only a few people actually working on that huge dry dock?

It's possible!


Well the Titanic took about 9,000 man-years.


Uuuuhhh Yeah; Sure thing buddy. ;)
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No need to provide any references here???


Actually, yes you do. You keep referring to "the Bible", but a lot of what you quote does not appear in original translations of that document. Much actually is just inferences you or other people try to make based on the words within the Bible, not words in the Bible itself.


I agree! References should be posted at all times and for my part I always try and provide scripture passage and verse as well as other links to other sites as well also.

But what I don't get is where is the reference for "Man-Years?" If "Man Hours" is the total number of hours that a man works on something then "Man-Years" must also be referring to the same thing. The Total Number of years that it literally takes to do some without sleeping, eating, spending time with your family and what ever else we do on our own time. Don't you agree? So where is the reference that the titanic took exactly 9,000 "Man-Years" to construct? That's what I would like to know.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:38 pm

Mirriam-Webster
Definition of MAN-YEAR
: a unit of the work done by one person in a year composed of a standard number of working days


Now if you want to use a different definition, that's fine. But if you use words in a different way to other people, don't expect to achieve any communication at all.

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"The question is, " said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:39 pm

notyou2 wrote:Who gathered and looked after the animals, insects, plants, etc? How much time did that take?

This one is obvious. God did it.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:39 pm

Now what about those fountains?
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:33 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:Mirriam-Webster
Definition of MAN-YEAR
: a unit of the work done by one person in a year composed of a standard number of working days


Now if you want to use a different definition, that's fine. But if you use words in a different way to other people, don't expect to achieve any communication at all.

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"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument,' " Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is, " said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty. "which is to be master—that's all."


OH, PLEASE! That may be in the dictionary but it doesn't mean anything.

OK; Let me ask you this; What's the average number of "Man Years" that a human being spends masturbating before reaching the age of maturity?

Isn't that a unit of the work done by one person in a year composed of a standard number of working days? Each time is a whole "Man Year" gone by because each time is a unit of the work done.

That definition is meaningless!

Shit! If we go by this definition then we've all spent countless of thousands of "Man Years" masturbating while growing up. Each one of us got the Titanic beat by a fracking long shot and a half. Together, we have billions if not trillions of wasted "Man Years" in the fruitless endeavor and I'm just saying, this thread alone.

So that definition of the word "Man Years," even if it is found in Merriam Webster's Dictionary, for any truly intelligent person,...
... is absolutely worthless.

They'll just print anything these days???
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:50 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:...and what are the "fountains of the deep"?


Ancient Hebrews believed the world existed as three planes. They thought the circular, flat Earth was us, then the heavens above, and underneath was the waters of the deep or underworld. Something to do with creation, iirc. So, it was arranged like floors in a building with creation separating the three.

This is reflected in the Ark's construction of three decks.

-TG


You're being way too liberal with the word "Flat." No where is it even indicated that the Hebrews believed in a flat earth. In fact the opposite, they knew that the earth was round like a ball and the language tends to lean in that direction.

BTW: This marks my one thousandths (1,000) post.

UH... references? Verification?
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 2:56 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
So a hundred years to build a huge Ark? Only a few people actually working on that huge dry dock?

It's possible!


Well the Titanic took about 9,000 man-years.


Uuuuhhh Yeah; Sure thing buddy. ;)
:lol:

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No need to provide any references here???


Actually, yes you do. You keep referring to "the Bible", but a lot of what you quote does not appear in original translations of that document. Much actually is just inferences you or other people try to make based on the words within the Bible, not words in the Bible itself.


I agree! References should be posted at all times and for my part I always try and provide scripture passage and verse as well as other links to other sites as well also.

No you post your version of what you have read, not which version of the Bible you are referencing or anything else. In fact, your answer seems to indicate you don't know what a real reference entails.


Viceroy63 wrote:But what I don't get is where is the reference for "Man-Years?"

Its a semi-standardized average of what it would take an average man a year to complete, similar to horsepower. I can be an exact measure, as in "it took the contractor 60 man hours..." or it can be a more relative measure, used mostly for comparing jobs or estimates of time to complete a job.


Viceroy63 wrote:If "Man Hours" is the total number of hours that a man works on something then "Man-Years" must also be referring to the same thing. The Total Number of years that it literally takes to do some without sleeping, eating, spending time with your family and what ever else we do on our own time. Don't you agree? So where is the reference that the titanic took exactly 9,000 "Man-Years" to construct? That's what I would like to know.

I never mentioned the Titanic. I simply asked you where you get your information. You are making a lot of assumptions without any real basis. I am asking where YOUR data came from, not anyone else's.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:53 pm

What "assumptions" are you talking about?

If it's about the theory of evolution not being factual, That is not an assumption.
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Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:59 pm

A Cubit is approximately 18 inches or 1.5 feet.

At 300 Cubits Long, the Ark would be approximately 450 feet Long.
At 50 Cubits Wide, the Ark would have a width of approximately 75 feet.
At 30 Cubits High, the Ark would have a Height of 45 feet.

That's as tall if not taller than a modern four story apartment building and as wide and as long as a city block. Or put another way, it would have more than half the volume of space then the HMS Titanic. I would estimate 70 to 80 percent because the Ark is much more wider than the Titanic.

The Ark is definitely larger than a foot ball field at 300 feet Long from goal post to goal post and almost as wide.

So get your facts straight people. That's...

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The displacement tonnage of the ark, which is the weight of water it would displace at a draught of 15 cubits, would be more than 22,000 tons. By comparison the U.S.S. Salem, a 716 foot long (218 meters) heavy cruiser commissioned in 1949, has a displacement tonnage of 21,500 tons. The gross tonnage, which is a measure of cubic space (100 cubic feet is one gross ton), would be 15,100 tons.
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