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While there is certainly proof that mutations do occur in nature; There is absolutely no real evidence to support the theory of evolution at this time (for over the past 150 years of "Dino-digging"). Including the sedimentary column.
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There probably is evidence to support this theory, yet scientist are at a loss to explain it appropriately.
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Scientist are great at making shit up when they have no evidence to prove something that is false to begin with.
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I believe in Santa. He's a real person that lives all the way deep at the north pole and brings me presents every year. The presents prove that he's real. I also leave him milk and cookies to snack on and while I don't ever see him, I just know with all my heart, that he is the one who eats all the cookies and milk. Or, I wish I had a dogasaur like Dino.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Frigidus on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:44 am

Seriously though, people need to stop posting videos and start typing out their arguments. I am just straight up not going to watch a half hour video. I value my time too much.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby crispybits on Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:42 am

Frigidus wrote:Seriously though, people need to stop posting videos and start typing out their arguments. I am just straight up not going to watch a half hour video. I value my time too much.


I watched long enough to see the first claim. It said that the galaxies are winding up too fast, and starts the explanation by saying that the stars at the center of a galaxy are moving much faster than the stars at the edges of a galaxy, and this would lead to an effect where the galaxy would wind up down to a much smaller, more dense cluster of stars and planets in less than 300 million years, therefore disproving that galaxies can be 10 billion years old as taught by current cosmology.

Then I went and googled the actual facts, and guess what? All stars, the ones near the middle and the ones at the edge, are moving at roughly the same speed. The ones in the middle aren't moving faster at all. They have greater angular momentum because they are closer to the center and so they take less time to move one circuit around the center, but they have around the same basic speed as the stars at the edge. Therefore the argument this guys starts out with is pure BS.

Having wasted 10 minutes of my life watching that far and googling for the facts I decided not to waste any more time listening to the other lies he's been paid to whore his PhD's credibility out to tell...
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby betiko on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:02 am

bring on your creationist team viceroy (if you can find 2, i doubt it!), we're game with bbs and crispybits to solve this on the battlefield. whoever loses stops posting on this thread! :)

if your imaginary friend exists he will give your team the dice I guess.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:04 am

Frigidus wrote:Seriously though, people need to stop posting videos and start typing out their arguments. I am just straight up not going to watch a half hour video. I value my time too much.

From here forth, I promise the only videos I'll post will be related to Futurama.


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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:06 am

betiko wrote:bring on your creationist team viceroy (if you can find 2, i doubt it!), we're game with bbs and crispybits to solve this on the battlefield. whoever loses stops posting on this thread! :)

if your imaginary friend exists he will give your team the dice I guess.


oh, lets make a whole damn tourney out of it...Im in

It will be the perfect match...Knowledge of mathematics, psychological theory, and probability vs pure luck.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby comic boy on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:21 am

Viceroy63 wrote:By Creationist; All of them!

And it's still science if the observations are logical.

The question is really why would a logically concluding theory be accepted while another logically concluding theory not be accepted?

I have a theory that explains this. People who simply want to "kill" God, do not accept any logically concluding Theory that has anything to do with God.



So basicly you dont understand the concept of Peer review :lol:
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:26 am

Viceroy63 wrote:By Creationist; All of them!

And it's still science if the observations are logical.

The question is really why would a logically concluding theory be accepted while another logically concluding theory not be accepted?

I have a theory that explains this. People who simply want to "kill" God, do not accept any logically concluding Theory that has anything to do with God.


I hate to poke another hole in another one of your "theories", but many of the scientists that you suggest want to "kill" God, actively believe and worship him as well, but still believe in evolution, because the actual science behind it, is beyond reproach.

It is you that have let your beliefs affect your view of the evidence, and are therefore the illogical one, and as such, perhaps the most hypocritical being in existence....and if that's a stretch, which it is, certainly you hold the crown in CC land.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:10 pm

Youtube Video "Evolutionist Dirty Little Secret" at the bottom of this comment.
Thank you.

AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:By Creationist; All of them!

And it's still science if the observations are logical.

The question is really why would a logically concluding theory be accepted while another logically concluding theory not be accepted?

I have a theory that explains this. People who simply want to "kill" God, do not accept any logically concluding Theory that has anything to do with God.


I hate to poke another hole in another one of your "theories", but many of the scientists that you suggest want to "kill" God, actively believe and worship him as well, but still believe in evolution, because the actual science behind it, is beyond reproach.

It is you that have let your beliefs affect your view of the evidence, and are therefore the illogical one, and as such, perhaps the most hypocritical being in existence....and if that's a stretch, which it is, certainly you hold the crown in CC land.


Please, Poke away! And don't let the fact that you twist my words bother you in the slightest, while you're doing all of your "poking away." OK. ;)

I never said "scientist" who want to kill God but rather "People," as in people in general of whom some of them do play the role of the "scientist" from time to time. But it's People who generally want to Kill God.

There are true Scientist out there and they do go on record for being anti-envolutionist. Because the theory of evolution has no foundation to go against established facts. You and I for example, are compose of carbon based molecules. That is to say dirt of the earth. Who established this fact before scientist ever figured it out? The Bible did of course.

"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground..."
Genesis 2:7

If the Bible was so full of shit as some would presume it is, then how would it get so many things right, and right of the bat as it does? If it is merely some fable then why did this imaginary god not make man from fire or star light? The facts are the facts and they are recorded for us to see in the bible first, before any so called scientist actually figured them out.

But here also is my point. If all of those, so called God of the Bible, and that is what I am talking about, "God of the Bible" believing scientist; If those so called scientist who believe in the theory of evolution are actually God fearing, God believing Christians, then how can they also go against the very words of God and say that Man evolved from a common ancestor of lower form of animals on the planet? When the Bible specifically states that the only evolution that actually took place was that of Dirt evolving into Man in a mere matter of moments?

I would think that any scientist who believes that man evolved from lower life forms and at the same time consider themselves "believers" of god??? Well, these are the true hypocrites and thank you for pointing that out to us.


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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby mejihn7779 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:12 pm

I find it interesting that none of the supporters of evolution were willing to watch any more than 10 minutes of the videos. That's like listening to a hypothesis and saying it's wrong or useless before giving the person a chance to explain. I dare any of the evolution supporters to watch both the videos & refute all his evidence. I BET YOU CAN'T!
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:17 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:By Creationist; All of them!

And it's still science if the observations are logical.

The question is really why would a logically concluding theory be accepted while another logically concluding theory not be accepted?

I have a theory that explains this. People who simply want to "kill" God, do not accept any logically concluding Theory that has anything to do with God.


I hate to poke another hole in another one of your "theories", but many of the scientists that you suggest want to "kill" God, actively believe and worship him as well, but still believe in evolution, because the actual science behind it, is beyond reproach.

It is you that have let your beliefs affect your view of the evidence, and are therefore the illogical one, and as such, perhaps the most hypocritical being in existence....and if that's a stretch, which it is, certainly you hold the crown in CC land.


Please, Poke away! And don't let the fact that you twist my words bother you in the slightest, while you're doing all of your "poking away." OK. ;)

I never said "scientist" who want to kill God but rather "People," as in people in general of whom some of them do play the role of the "scientist" from time to time. But it's People who generally want to Kill God.

There are true Scientist out there and they do go on record for being anti-envolutionist. Because the theory of evolution has no foundation to go against established facts. You and I for example, are compose of carbon based molecules. That is to say dirt of the earth. Who established this fact before scientist ever figured it out? The Bible did of course.

"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground..."
Genesis 2:7

If the Bible was so full of shit as some would presume it is, then how would it get so many things right, and right of the bat as it does? If it is merely some fable then why did this imaginary god not make man from fire or star light? The facts are the facts and they are recorded for us to see in the bible first, before any so called scientist actually figured them out.

But here also is my point. If all of those called God of the Bible, and that is what I am talking about, "God of the Bible" believing scientist; If those scientist who believe in the theory of evolution are actually God fearing, God believing Christians, then how can they also go against the very words of God and say that Man evolved from a common ancestor of lower form of animals on the planet? When the Bible specifically states that the only evolution that actually took place was that of Dirt evolving into Man in a mere matter of moments?

I would think that any scientist who believes that man evolved from lower life forms and at the same time consider themselves "believers" of god??? Well, these are the true hypocrites and thank you for pointing that out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjprkQbOouQ


Well, as far as twisting your words....Scientists are people too. :lol: And its scientists, even believers that most contest your insane lack of knowledge on the subject.

And its not hypocritical at all to believe in an omnipotent being that set up a universe in which animals evolved from one another over millions of years. In fact, its just stupid, to think hed have done it any other way really.

Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur. The real universe is infinitely more beautiful than the fantasy you have chosen to believe in. That, is the hypocricy of your entire life's beliefs, from what Ive seen you post in here.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:18 pm

mejihn7779 wrote:I find it interesting that none of the supporters of evolution were willing to watch any more than 10 minutes of the videos. That's like listening to a hypothesis and saying it's wrong or useless before giving the person a chance to explain. I dare any of the evolution supporters to watch both the videos & refute all his evidence. I BET YOU CAN'T!


I didn't watch Mickey Mouse today either. Sorry.

But tell you what, you read all the literature about evolution, and then get back to us on the few examples refuting it. :lol:
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:31 pm

Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur.


I sure wish that I could be an amateur writer like the amateur who wrote the Bible! Then I would be a Best seller author read by Billions all around the planet enjoying a life of luxury like no one has ever seen before based on my amateurish writing.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:54 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur.


I sure wish that I could be an amateur writer like the amateur who wrote the Bible! Then I would be a Best seller author read by Billions all around the planet enjoying a life of luxury like no one has ever seen before based on my amateurish writing.

The Bible was like an early version of Wikipedia I think.


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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby crispybits on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:10 pm

If so they sure missed out a hell of a lot of [citation needed]!
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:31 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur.


I sure wish that I could be an amateur writer like the amateur who wrote the Bible! Then I would be a Best seller author read by Billions all around the planet enjoying a life of luxury like no one has ever seen before based on my amateurish writing.


Actually, the "work of an amateur" refers to the "work" of creating such a simplistic planet and solar system as described in your "very popular book". I was calling the "creation" as described in your bible as amateur, not the writing of the Bible itself.... That is to say, God would be an amateur, if he chose to create it so simplistically, with some finger snaps, compared to how we know it was actually created, which is infinitely more complex, and beautiful.

I can only imagine the insult a creator of something so gorgeous and mind boggling would feel, if someone like you reduced it into a few snaps of a finger, based on someones very unscientific observations and ramblings. In short, you give him so little credit, all the while assuming you are doing His work. Again, the hypocricy knows no bounds.

For what its worth though, I very much do think you have great potential for writing fiction.
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crispybits wrote:If so they sure missed out a hell of a lot of [citation needed]!

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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:22 pm

AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur.


I sure wish that I could be an amateur writer like the amateur who wrote the Bible! Then I would be a Best seller author read by Billions all around the planet enjoying a life of luxury like no one has ever seen before based on my amateurish writing.


Actually, the "work of an amateur" refers to the "work" of creating such a simplistic planet and solar system as described in your "very popular book". I was calling the "creation" as described in your bible as amateur, not the writing of the Bible itself.... That is to say, God would be an amateur, if he chose to create it so simplistically, with some finger snaps, compared to how we know it was actually created, which is infinitely more complex, and beautiful.

I can only imagine the insult a creator of something so gorgeous and mind boggling would feel, if someone like you reduced it into a few snaps of a finger, based on someones very unscientific observations and ramblings. In short, you give him so little credit, all the while assuming you are doing His work. Again, the hypocricy knows no bounds.

For what its worth though, I very much do think you have great potential for writing fiction.


Thank you AAFitz, that means so very much coming from you. Really it does!

When I was a little boy and I told fictitious tales such as the theory of evolution, it was called a "Fib." I would get wrapped across my mouth for fibbing and as punishment would be sent to my room with out any supper so that I could contemplate the errors of my ways. Today so called scientist lie to masses of the populace and earn a paycheck in return. If only my father had known what lying to ignorant people would get me in life one day. A high paying salary position and the respect and admiration of so many ignorant people who just don't care to figure it out for themselves. Perhaps then my father might have spared that rod and the belt. huh?

But I implore you, if you like fiction, Please watch this Video, Evolutionist Dirty Little Secret. It really does explain the basis of the Darwinian lie.


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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:25 pm

I like NOVA specials better I think.


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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby tzor on Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:55 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:I have a theory that explains this. People who simply want to "kill" God, do not accept any logically concluding Theory that has anything to do with God.


Only how do the Secular Franciscans who love God with their whole heart and mind and who accept the evidence of evolution, figure into your theory?

I have a theory (actually it's Peter's). Some people twist the scripture to their own damnation.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:01 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:
Your bible description is just sloppy and the work of an amateur.


I sure wish that I could be an amateur writer like the amateur who wrote the Bible! Then I would be a Best seller author read by Billions all around the planet enjoying a life of luxury like no one has ever seen before based on my amateurish writing.


Actually, the "work of an amateur" refers to the "work" of creating such a simplistic planet and solar system as described in your "very popular book". I was calling the "creation" as described in your bible as amateur, not the writing of the Bible itself.... That is to say, God would be an amateur, if he chose to create it so simplistically, with some finger snaps, compared to how we know it was actually created, which is infinitely more complex, and beautiful.

I can only imagine the insult a creator of something so gorgeous and mind boggling would feel, if someone like you reduced it into a few snaps of a finger, based on someones very unscientific observations and ramblings. In short, you give him so little credit, all the while assuming you are doing His work. Again, the hypocricy knows no bounds.

For what its worth though, I very much do think you have great potential for writing fiction.


Thank you AAFitz, that means so very much coming from you. Really it does!

When I was a little boy and I told fictitious tales such as the theory of evolution, it was called a "Fib." I would get wrapped across my mouth for fibbing and as punishment would be sent to my room with out any supper so that I could contemplate the errors of my ways. Today so called scientist lie to masses of the populace and earn a paycheck in return. If only my father had known what lying to ignorant people would get me in life one day. A high paying salary position and the respect and admiration of so many ignorant people who just don't care to figure it out for themselves. Perhaps then my father might have spared that rod and the belt. huh?

But I implore you, if you like fiction, Please watch this Video, Evolutionist Dirty Little Secret. It really does explain the basis of the Darwinian lie.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjprkQbOouQ


You poor thing...those scientists have been lying to you your whole life...and now you are forced to use this silly internet thingy that uses radio waves and electricity that those silly scientists made up and lied about and used witchcraft.

Dont worry though vice...your day will come. Until then, spread your lies and fight every scientific fact all you want. You really can change reality if you believe hard enough...

We luckilly have moved out of the days of darkness, run by the likes of you, and Science has taken over all, except those too blind to truly see. I know its tough, and you want to burn the lot of them at the stake for blasphemy, but you just dont have that power that you used to...because reason, has just taken over fantasy.

Join us, if you ever get bored of your clouds and fiction. its an amazing universe, and you are just missing out.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:01 pm

Oh I know that Science is true and God is true but mankind is a liar. Those who realize that are not deceived.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:09 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:Oh I know that Science is true and God is true but mankind is a liar. Those who realize that are not deceived.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


Well, you are mankind, and many of those believers you believe in...are mankind too.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4[/quote]

And this particular quote, defends my position, just as much as your own...and in fact, is the exact sentiment I was eluding to before.

You see, I know I dont know exactly the situation. I know there are unknowns...however, you are the one claiming to actually know the true reality for sure, and are calling all others liars.

You are the judge-er, not the judge-ee. You just have been lied to by mankind and by yourself, and are no longer able to see that basic fact, which all of us, see clear as day.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby chang50 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:21 pm

AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:Oh I know that Science is true and God is true but mankind is a liar. Those who realize that are not deceived.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


Well, you are mankind, and many of those believers you believe in...are mankind too.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


And this particular quote, defends my position, just as much as your own...and in fact, is the exact sentiment I was eluding to before.

You see, I know I dont know exactly the situation. I know there are unknowns...however, you are the one claiming to actually know the true reality for sure, and are calling all others liars.

You are the judge-er, not the judge-ee. You just have been lied to by mankind and by yourself, and are no longer able to see that basic fact, which all of us, see clear as day.[/quote]


There is a word that perfectly describes the stupid vanity displayed by creationists like Viceroy,it is fatuousness.They are in fact the polar opposite of what they imagine themselves to be,rather than humbling themselves before the supreme creator,they claim special knowledge denied to the rest of us in a breathtakingly arrogant way..
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby AAFitz on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:28 pm

chang50 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:Oh I know that Science is true and God is true but mankind is a liar. Those who realize that are not deceived.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


Well, you are mankind, and many of those believers you believe in...are mankind too.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


And this particular quote, defends my position, just as much as your own...and in fact, is the exact sentiment I was eluding to before.

You see, I know I dont know exactly the situation. I know there are unknowns...however, you are the one claiming to actually know the true reality for sure, and are calling all others liars.

You are the judge-er, not the judge-ee. You just have been lied to by mankind and by yourself, and are no longer able to see that basic fact, which all of us, see clear as day.



There is a word that perfectly describes the stupid vanity displayed by creationists like Viceroy,it is fatuousness.They are in fact the polar opposite of what they imagine themselves to be,rather than humbling themselves before the supreme creator,they claim special knowledge denied to the rest of us in a breathtakingly arrogant way..[/quote]

Its not just creationists, its human nature. Its easier to choose to believe in something, than it is to walk around not knowing. I have believed many incorrect things in my life, but have been lucky enough to have been wrong about enough of them, to realize that believing that deeply, without real evidence is simply a human propensity towards delusion.

While it does mean not knowing quite a few things, it does mean not being wrong about so many either, and further, I feel, allows me to learn much more freely than others. Of course, that is a belief as well, which means its contradictory, and could be wrong....but...I accept that, and cant wait till I learn something new tomorrow.

I genuinely feel bad for those who closed off that experience, long ago.
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Re: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

Postby chang50 on Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:48 pm

AAFitz wrote:
chang50 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote:Oh I know that Science is true and God is true but mankind is a liar. Those who realize that are not deceived.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


Well, you are mankind, and many of those believers you believe in...are mankind too.

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
-Romans 3:4


And this particular quote, defends my position, just as much as your own...and in fact, is the exact sentiment I was eluding to before.

You see, I know I dont know exactly the situation. I know there are unknowns...however, you are the one claiming to actually know the true reality for sure, and are calling all others liars.

You are the judge-er, not the judge-ee. You just have been lied to by mankind and by yourself, and are no longer able to see that basic fact, which all of us, see clear as day.



There is a word that perfectly describes the stupid vanity displayed by creationists like Viceroy,it is fatuousness.They are in fact the polar opposite of what they imagine themselves to be,rather than humbling themselves before the supreme creator,they claim special knowledge denied to the rest of us in a breathtakingly arrogant way..


Its not just creationists, its human nature. Its easier to choose to believe in something, than it is to walk around not knowing. I have believed many incorrect things in my life, but have been lucky enough to have been wrong about enough of them, to realize that believing that deeply, without real evidence is simply a human propensity towards delusion.

While it does mean not knowing quite a few things, it does mean not being wrong about so many either, and further, I feel, allows me to learn much more freely than others. Of course, that is a belief as well, which means its contradictory, and could be wrong....but...I accept that, and cant wait till I learn something new tomorrow.

I genuinely feel bad for those who closed off that experience, long ago.[/quote]


Couldn't argue with any of that,a lot of people seem to see having doubt,or not knowing,or changing their mind as weakness when it is actually strength.
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