Phatscotty wrote: Symmetry wrote: Phatscotty wrote: Symmetry wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:But, signs, "gun free zone" really do make places like that targets for maniacal cowards who want to be violent and make the news.
I'm not sure that's the case. A person who enters a situation like this with the intent to die isn't going to be deterred by a sign, let alone one that says that it's not a place he'll be shot.
How do you know that?
I speculate it's highly likely the evil-doer will pick another location, possibly even just save us all the trouble and turn their weapon on themselves.
I've actually given you an article or two in the past about what constitutes a deterrent to suicide, suicidal thinkers tend to be very driven toward a single method. Especially those who chose something with a degree of spectacle. It's easily applied to a shooting spree where the shooter expects to die, and in many cases either is killed, or commits suicide.
Do you still have the NYTimes article I sent you about suicide? The findings it mentioned surprised me to be fair, as I said when I sent it to you, but the idea that a fixated individual will simply turn to something else doesn't pan out in the majority of cases.
I think I remember that...makes sense to me. It just so happens to make sense to me that the reality you describe is not going to be prevented by having a "gun free zone" or any gun-control regulations.
Whatever we need to do about crazy people, let's do it. Neither the crazies nor is Progressive politicking going to dictate to the other 99.999% of us on how we live our lives, or what rights are going to be taken away from Americans.
The thing is, Scotty, and this is solely regarding the suicide thing, death by cop, or security guard just isn't going to stop them. I find the argument that gun-free zones encourage mass shootings to be kind of silly. These people know they're going to die, and they know how. They're not intending to avoid being killed.
I can see your point, and you have been trolling a hell of a lot here, that perhaps armed presence would reduce casualties, but as I showed you in the stuff I sent you, easy accessibility to a means of suicide results in higher suicide rates. If it were widely known, as it increasingly seems to be now, that walking in to a school with a gun and shooting whoever you see will end your life and get you famous, what's to prevent walking into a school and shooting people becoming an easy way out for suicidal people?