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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:55 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Ok, what I'm gathering is:

77% of Americans will be paying HIGHER taxes.
There was a minimal SPENDING cut.
Then there was a HUGE spending INCREASE.


OBAMA is DESTROYING this country (the sad part is, it isn't accidental)...... This will be evident in March when he increases the DEBT CEILING!!!!!!

And this has to do with whaling, how, exactly?


He is a food nazi trying to cover his trail.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby macbone on Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:49 am

See Japan for one country that still prizes whaling.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8564342.stm

Of course, they kill dolphins to eat, too.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/se ... apan-taiji

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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby jimboston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:31 am

CreepersWiener wrote:Why? Any particular reason? I would think if we ocean farmed whales we could feed a lot more people in the world than raising cattle. Cattle produce so much methane that they are screwing the Ozone Layer! When whales shit and fart, it just goes "Blub, Blub, Blub, Blub...and then the ocean cleans it up and little fishies eat all the whale poop!

We could also produce lots of oil from whale blubber! Diesel prices could be brought down and it would be a totally new renewable energy resource!


I think the problem stems from the fact that we have "over-fished" whales and many were threatened with extinction.

So the "fix" is to stop hunting them all together.

That makes sense when they are near extinction... but as the population rebonds fishing them and managing the population may make more sense.

At what point that makes sense is a question for experts, and likely debatable.


I do think also the methods used in the past may have been considered "cruel" by some. Perhaps with better technology we coudl find more "humane" ways to kill them.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby jimboston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:34 am

chang50 wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:We should arm the whales.


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Until they can do it themselves...The Sea Shepard will do it for them! LOL! What a bunch of overly righteous blabber!

Whales are meat, if you are against killing whales then you should also be against killing cows and chickens!


Equally if you are for eating whales,you should be for eating cats and dogs..



NO... you should be for "allowing" or "not objecting" to other people eating cats and dogs.

I love steak.

I also love MY dog.

You can got eat dog... just you can't eat my dog.

... nor should be forced to eat dog. I won't force you to eat cow, nor will I object to you eating dog (unless it's my Max).

make sense?
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby jimboston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:36 am

macbone wrote:
Of course, they kill dolphins to eat, too.



... so?
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby jimboston on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:45 am

jay_a2j wrote:Ok, what I'm gathering is:

77% of Americans will be paying HIGHER taxes.
There was a minimal SPENDING cut.
Then there was a HUGE spending INCREASE.


OBAMA is DESTROYING this country (the sad part is, it isn't accidental)...... This will be evident in March when he increases the DEBT CEILING!!!!!!


What does this have to do with whaling?
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:58 am

jimboston wrote:
chang50 wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:We should arm the whales.


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Until they can do it themselves...The Sea Shepard will do it for them! LOL! What a bunch of overly righteous blabber!

Whales are meat, if you are against killing whales then you should also be against killing cows and chickens!


Equally if you are for eating whales,you should be for eating cats and dogs..



NO... you should be for "allowing" or "not objecting" to other people eating cats and dogs.

I love steak.

I also love MY dog.

You can got eat dog... just you can't eat my dog.

... nor should be forced to eat dog. I won't force you to eat cow, nor will I object to you eating dog (unless it's my Max).

make sense?


Yup, private property rights. Dolphins and whales live in areas called the commons, so no one actually owns them until they're in the boat or have been captured in some specific place where they can exclude others from the animals.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby AAFitz on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:48 pm

jay_a2j wrote:????? how did that post end up here? I was in the fiscal cliff thread!!!!


That was a whale of a mistake.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:11 pm

jimboston wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:Why? Any particular reason? I would think if we ocean farmed whales we could feed a lot more people in the world than raising cattle. Cattle produce so much methane that they are screwing the Ozone Layer! When whales shit and fart, it just goes "Blub, Blub, Blub, Blub...and then the ocean cleans it up and little fishies eat all the whale poop!

We could also produce lots of oil from whale blubber! Diesel prices could be brought down and it would be a totally new renewable energy resource!


I think the problem stems from the fact that we have "over-fished" whales and many were threatened with extinction.

So the "fix" is to stop hunting them all together.

That makes sense when they are near extinction... but as the population rebonds fishing them and managing the population may make more sense.

At what point that makes sense is a question for experts, and likely debatable.


I do think also the methods used in the past may have been considered "cruel" by some. Perhaps with better technology we coudl find more "humane" ways to kill them.

From a fisheries perspective, whales just don't reproduce enough to sustain a heavily impacted population. This is why though most whaling ended decades, even centuries ago in some cases, the population numbers are still low.

Also, the primary demand was for whale oil, not whale meat. Petroleum products have long since replaced almost all whale oil uses, thus lowering the demand.

Per management, they are managed, as much as any marine species is managed... that is, a few international treaties are enforced, but a lot is left up to various countries. Teh distance a country can "control" off its shores varies, but is dictated by international law.

Of course, any international law is by its nature weaker than more localized laws. Japan and Norway have used a scientific fishing exclusion to justify some small scale whaling, which is largely what Greenpeace, etc target. Ironically, the US is one country that has not (unless this changed in the past few years) signed onto the international bans on whaling, largely because they want to maintain the right of the Inuit to whale.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby CreepersWiener on Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:22 pm

AAFitz wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:????? how did that post end up here? I was in the fiscal cliff thread!!!!


That was a whale of a mistake.


I am sure jay didn't do it on porpoise.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby macbone on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:17 am

jimboston wrote:
macbone wrote:
Of course, they kill dolphins to eat, too.



... so?


Seriously? Do you know how many human lives have been saved by dolphins over the years? And we reward them by clubbing them to death and feeding their mercury-ridden meat to schoolchildren?



How do you feel about shark-finning, jim?
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:41 pm

Yeah the whole ramming the shit out of sharks until they sink to the bottom a bloody pulp is pretty badass. Dolphins are cool beans.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:49 am

Funkyterrance wrote:Yeah the whole ramming the shit out of sharks until they sink to the bottom a bloody pulp is pretty badass. Dolphins are cool beans.


Actually, dolphins are fish.
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby macbone on Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:28 am

No, sharks are fish. =)
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Re: Why is Whaling Illegal?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:48 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:
jimboston wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:Why? Any particular reason? I would think if we ocean farmed whales we could feed a lot more people in the world than raising cattle. Cattle produce so much methane that they are screwing the Ozone Layer! When whales shit and fart, it just goes "Blub, Blub, Blub, Blub...and then the ocean cleans it up and little fishies eat all the whale poop!

We could also produce lots of oil from whale blubber! Diesel prices could be brought down and it would be a totally new renewable energy resource!


I think the problem stems from the fact that we have "over-fished" whales and many were threatened with extinction.

So the "fix" is to stop hunting them all together.

That makes sense when they are near extinction... but as the population rebonds fishing them and managing the population may make more sense.

At what point that makes sense is a question for experts, and likely debatable.


I do think also the methods used in the past may have been considered "cruel" by some. Perhaps with better technology we coudl find more "humane" ways to kill them.

From a fisheries perspective, whales just don't reproduce enough to sustain a heavily impacted population. This is why though most whaling ended decades, even centuries ago in some cases, the population numbers are still low.

Also, the primary demand was for whale oil, not whale meat. Petroleum products have long since replaced almost all whale oil uses, thus lowering the demand.

Per management, they are managed, as much as any marine species is managed... that is, a few international treaties are enforced, but a lot is left up to various countries. Teh distance a country can "control" off its shores varies, but is dictated by international law.

Of course, any international law is by its nature weaker than more localized laws. Japan and Norway have used a scientific fishing exclusion to justify some small scale whaling, which is largely what Greenpeace, etc target. Ironically, the US is one country that has not (unless this changed in the past few years) signed onto the international bans on whaling, largely because they want to maintain the right of the Inuit to whale.


Aye, but there's a fair bit of background as to why Japan took that approach, although the hypocrisy of allowing whaling for Americans is certainly part of it-

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