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Re: Petition to Deport Piers Morgan

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:08 pm

Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:BVP, what would you do (genuinely curious) if there was a guy on TV, who is not even from your country, broadcasting to your countrymen that he wants to crack down on homosexuality? How do you handle it? What's your response?



Write a letter to the network, state I find the views of the commentator abhorrent and will no longer be watching their network. Then stop watching the network. If I encountered anyone espousing similar views I would argue the point with them, if it became a wider political thing, not just a talk show host, I would write my member of parliament, take part in rallies that sort of thing. You know engage in democracy.

I would not petition my government to deport/jail/punish them. This petition is idiotic and basically an appeal against freedom.


It's effective speech. The petition is the Pimp, the media is the Hoe. It doesn't matter what the speech is, and the fact the some of you find the petition unpopular, is the very speech the first amendment is meant to protect.

But you Gun-Control-Thirsty-Firsty's know that already...
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Re: Petition to Deport Piers Morgan

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:39 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:Let me ask you guys something. Just imagine for a minute, you are at the rostrum at a rally of whatever movement is most passionate to you. Let's just say it's gay rights. So, during your rally, some anti-gay guy is invited to the microphone and starts saying that being gay is wrong and it is sinful. Given he makes no hateful threats......are you going to try to tell me honestly that you are going to sit back and say "well, he has the right to speak, we should be respectful and listen" or is it more like "get this piece of shit off the stage" and start throwing tomatoes? Anyone who has a problem with what I have been saying in this thread, I would like an answer.

I think about now many are starting to see how they are being hypocritical here



Was this not on his own TV show?


how timely...

Piers Morgan: Both the Bible and U.S. Constitution Are ‘Inherently Flawed’ and Need to Be Amended

While CNN’s Piers Morgan is a well known critic of America’s Second Amendment, he has now ventured into a new campaign to reform another document critical in the development of western civilization; the Bible.

During a discussion on CNN’s “Piers Morgan Tonight” on Monday — Christmas Eve — with Saddleback Church Pastor Rick Warren, Morgan argued that there needs to be an “amendment to the Bible” for same-sex marriage, because like the Constitution, the Bible is “inherently flawed.”

“Both the Bible and the Constitution were well intentioned but they are basically, inherently flawed. Hence, the need to amend it,” Morgan told Warren during a conversation where Morgan emphasized the need for America to separate Church and State.

“My point to you about gay rights, for example, it’s time for an amendment to the Bible.”

“Uh, no,” replied Warren, in a conversation that remained civil between both parties. “Not a chance. What I believe is flawed is human opinion, because it constantly changes.”

Morgan has attracted more media attention than usual over the last few weeks as he has increased his always vocal cries for increased gun control laws in America following the Newtown elementary school shooting earlier this month. Morgan’s campaign has infuriated Second Amendment enthusiasts, leading to a petition to the White House signed by over 75,000 calling for the CNN host’s deportation back to Britain. This development led to a counter protest in the UK “Stop Piers Morgan from being deported back to the UK from America.”

Warren has debated LGBTQ issues on Morgan’s show before, discussing his thoughts with the host last November on whether or not someone can be born gay.


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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby jonesthecurl on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:56 pm

and your point...
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:15 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:and your point...


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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby gordon1975 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:51 am

us brits were kinda hoping he wasnt going to come back again,please keep him over there please
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:11 am

Phatscotty wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:and your point...



So you "approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle"?
It's an honest question.
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Re: Petition to Deport Piers Morgan

Postby Baron Von PWN on Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:27 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Baron Von PWN wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:BVP, what would you do (genuinely curious) if there was a guy on TV, who is not even from your country, broadcasting to your countrymen that he wants to crack down on homosexuality? How do you handle it? What's your response?



Write a letter to the network, state I find the views of the commentator abhorrent and will no longer be watching their network. Then stop watching the network. If I encountered anyone espousing similar views I would argue the point with them, if it became a wider political thing, not just a talk show host, I would write my member of parliament, take part in rallies that sort of thing. You know engage in democracy.

I would not petition my government to deport/jail/punish them. This petition is idiotic and basically an appeal against freedom.


It's effective speech. The petition is the Pimp, the media is the Hoe. It doesn't matter what the speech is, and the fact the some of you find the petition unpopular, is the very speech the first amendment is meant to protect.

But you Gun-Control-Thirsty-Firsty's know that already...


Yes it's speech, but it's speech asking that the government use force to silence someone. You don't see the problem with that even if it's just an attention grabber?
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:14 am

I believe the correct answer to that is "Shut up or you'll be tarred and feathered".
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby chang50 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:38 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:and your point...



So you "approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle"?
It's an honest question.


Doesn't matter he's not responding to foreigners..
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby jonesthecurl on Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:38 pm

This whole thread is a response to a foreigner.
Who can't hear him.
And remember what the poet said – “in booty there is loot, and in loot booty.” Or sump’n like that.
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:32 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:and your point...



So you "approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle"?
It's an honest question.


Heck no, not for our purposes here, concerning some Brit jackass clogging up America's primetime airwaves. We are just using speech right now. I don't really want to tar and feather Piers, but that makes for a nice deposit in the spank-bank. Can anyone paste Pier's face to the tax-collector in the video above? That would have some serious staying power.

But of course, legal/illegal can change. If foreign troops tried to enter my home, then yes I would.

If Piers Morgan succeeds, and guns become illegal, and rebellion, uprisings, resistance and civil war pops off....I think everyone is going to have to make a choice.

These historical things need to be kept in perspective though. Keep in mind, this is post-stampAct, post Boston Massare
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:34 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:This whole thread is a response to a foreigner.
Who can't hear him.


...unless they have my respect. It's not only about foreigners though, I'm just done having the same 101 talking points yelled at me from a foreign understanding over and over and over again. Someone else is going to have to babysit room 101.
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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby Symmetry on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:21 pm

Ah, deporting someone for saying something that a lot of Americans are saying, simply because he is on a visa. Perhaps there should be an exemption on the visa- no free speech.

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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:39 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:and your point...



So you "approve of brutal and illegal acts to enforce a political principle"?
It's an honest question.


Heck no, not for our purposes here, concerning some Brit jackass clogging up America's primetime airwaves. We are just using speech right now. I don't really want to tar and feather Piers, but that makes for a nice deposit in the spank-bank. Can anyone paste Pier's face to the tax-collector in the video above? That would have some serious staying power.

But of course, legal/illegal can change. If foreign troops tried to enter my home, then yes I would.

If Piers Morgan succeeds, and guns become illegal, and rebellion, uprisings, resistance and civil war pops off....I think everyone is going to have to make a choice.

These historical things need to be kept in perspective though. Keep in mind, this is post Boston Massacre
(the feathering was also in Boston)

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Re: Piers Morgan: Riding the Rail

Postby MeDeFe on Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:25 pm

Phatscotty wrote:things need to be kept in perspective

I think that ship sailed when the petition to deport him received its 25000th supporting vote.


The petition is a blatant attempt to use the government to stifle speech and suppress an opinion some people are uncomfortable with. That you're trying to sugarcoat this attempt as "free speech" is really sad. I noticed that you shifted gears early on and went from outright saying you want him deported to trying to justify it as "free speech" and claiming the petition was only meant to send a message. I only hope you realised what a fucking stupid and dangerous thing you were initially supporting, but are just too stubborn to come out and say so.

Let's for a moment assume the US government really does deport Piers Morgan. Would you be ok with that? Would you really want your government to deport people who voice their opinions?
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