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What proposed gun control measures do you support?

None of These
7
5%
Prosecute People Who Lie on Felony-Record Background Checks
38
27%
Add the Names of the Known Mentally Disturbed to Background Check Database, in Addition to Felons
30
21%
Create a Registry of Who Owns What Firearms
14
10%
Require a Government-Issued License to Purchase
18
13%
Reinstate the Assault Weapons Ban
22
15%
Require Firearms be Stored at a Gun Range or in a Government-Inspected Vault in the Home
10
7%
Ban all Firearms
3
2%
 
Total votes : 142

Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jan 19, 2013 5:14 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:And there is a current of anti-intellectualism in that argument.


LOL - even after your tantrum of the last page, here it is again - this bizarre meme of calling everyone stupid and gullible and presuming you are part of some aristocracy of intellect. It only took 4 pages to resurface. Hey, Player can barely string two words together and misspells "cat" half the time and she thinks she's part of this club, too. Getting this idea to stick with you and 50 million faceless others will win Hill & Knowlton a Silver Anvil.

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On a different topic, a 60-sec snippet from a sidebar with Kucinich a couple months ago discussing the looting of the US Treasury Obama is orchestrating. Voice changed to protect the innocent. You don't get this shit in the stories about lesbian slam poets on NPR or reports on Hillary's cankles on FOX.

US domestic policy is engineered to support foreign policy. US foreign policy is engineered to facilitate money transfers from the US Treasury to institutionalized commercial interests. The wide-eyed, idealistic virgins like Juan are there for the unpaid labor and - occasionally - warm bodies for infantry. It's impossible to explain the underlying complexities of the problem because they view the world in intellectually numb, 2+2 equations and doublethink (example). They're pupils at the Fresno School for the Retarded who are convinced they're all honor roll students at Penn.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby thegreekdog on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:54 am

Juan_Bottom wrote: think that your deal is that you hate government, and you want to believe that our government is all corrupt and every politician is the same. It's not true. And there is a current of anti-intellectualism in that argument. You have no appreciation for the massive size of our government, or the scale of time that it takes to change anything. Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist, but our country is going to take several hundred. As a historian, do you think that our government moves any differently than it did in 1786 or 1910? It doesn't, yet look how far we've come as a nation!!!
Everything is "sell-outs, conspiracy, bad people, liars, rhetoric, corporate patsys, DTA, politicians SUCK" - with you. You make me sad.


Dennis Kucinich was gerrymandered out of his chair, and then chose not to run for office in Washington. That was his decision and not the President's or his party's. Yes, he was opposed by the local branch of the Democratic party. That is understandable. He still could have chose to run. That doesn't mean that the Democratic party itself is an evil entity full of dark conspiracies. Sherman Tank is from Ohio, and we had a fun conversation about Kucinich. I think he's a cool guy and I would have like to see him continue his political career.

I have said on this website that the Republican party has moved hard right, and the Democratic party as gently moved to the right as well, stealing those independent votes and isolating the Republicans to the hard right. The positions of each party on the right or left is irrelevant to me. My favorite politicians right now are Bernie Sandors and Elizabeth Warren. Both are far left, I think. One isn't a Democrat.

IMHO you made claims to knowledge about what the president was doing about gun control before the president made a statement about what he was going to do about gun control. A few people here did, but I give you all the benefit of the doubt. There was a lot of talk going around. But anyway I wasn't willing to make any special claims. And I just told you that I was lukewarm to the new plan, so how the hell do you get from "lukewarm support" to "you're in the bag for the Democrats?" Dafuq
We were of similar thought about responsible gun control until the new plan was announced, I think. So until Wednesday's announcement came I have no idea why you would consider me a bad guy. And now I'm only lukewarm and you still want to hate me for that?


I don't hate the government. Or, more accurately, I don't hate everything about government. I think the federal government is largely self-serving, and that, in and of itself, is fine to an extent. My concern (or hatred if you want) is that people don't think the government is self-serving. In other words, there are large swathes of people who either think that no one in the government is self-serving or that only the Republicans are self-serving or that only the Democrats are self-serving. Ultimately, my political message, at least to you and the Phatscottys of the world, is to get you to acknowledge that members of government are self-serving, no matter their political affiliations. I've never made a disparaging remark about President Obama in the "I hate you" vein. I'm simply trying to inform people as to the self-serving nature of things that the presdient does. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm doing this because I hate the president, which makes sense given your blind loyalty to him. Clearly you don't like criticism of Democrats, including the president, if it's being made by people who aren't also Democrats.

In terms of gun control, gun control supporters should be criticizing Congress and the president in equal measures to criticizing the NRA. They aren't doing that, making the argument (like you are) that essentially boils down to "At least they are doing something." The problem with this is twofold. First, it presupposes that whatever they are doing is "doing something" and I don't think it is. So, they are proposing to enact a law or are signing executive orders that will cost something and will not be effective. So there's that. Second, gun control supporters who don't realize that politicians are generally self-serving will chalk this battle up to the Democrats doing something and Republicans resisting it, and their future electoral decisions will be influenced by that.

The sad part about this whole thing, which we come back to, is that there really is no stark choice. Maybe you and others think this is a good thing, but I really don't. I think there needs to be multiple political parties and coalitions need to be struck, as it is in most other representative governments in the world. Right now, our choice for gun control, at least federally, is an ineffective Assault Weapons Ban or nothing. It's like saying we have the choice between hot pastrami on rye with swiss cheese or hot pastrami on rye with American cheese. Not really much of a choice. And yet we have pundits and politicians on the pro gun control side going on about how we need to do something and we need to support the president and this is a great law (related aside - the morning team on the sports talk radio station in Philadelphia was going on about how great the Assault Weapons Ban would be). On the anti gun control side we have the NRA and political pundits and politicians going on about how the president is a dictator and that the Assault Weapons Ban would take away constitutional rights. Both sides are being alarmist without actually discussing anything of substance. It's so absurd. I mean we have five or six different threads on gun control in this forum. The difference between this forum and Congress is that some of the pro gun control people are actually in favor of effective laws, which they may or may not realize will not be passed with this Congress or signed by this president.

So, what exactly is sad about my point of view again?

By the way, there are a number of politicians I like and have liked. But I like them with the background that I understand they are being self-serving. We don't live in a "West Wing" world where the president is extremely intelligent and makes all his decisions based on what's best for all Americans.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:28 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


I hate to break it to anyone - especially someone at the vanguard of the national intelligentsia as yourself - but Switzerland is not "full-Socialist" [sic] or even a "social democracy." On the Esping-Andersen decommodification index it is classified as a 'Liberal' economy, just like the U.S., which is not surprising given Switzerland's privately run for-profit health insurance system, lower spending on public education and banking-sector owned government.

http://www.espanet2012.info/__data/asse ... ream_2.pdf

Don't confuse the (relative) absence of endemic public sector corruption in Switzerland (versus the U.S.) and more efficient bureaucracies with the presence of a social democracy. In other words ...

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Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


Before you decide to seize control of the ship, you may want to take a navigation class or two.

Or maybe get one of the molecular biologists or astrophysicists you bowl with to tag in for you in this thread ...
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:47 am

saxitoxin wrote:Before you decide to seize control of the ship, you may want to take a navigation class or two.

Or maybe get one of the molecular biologists or astrophysicists you bowl with to tag in for you in this thread ...


Sorry, not going to jump in for JB on this one. A few years ago I thought like he did. Now I'm putting my efforts into different arenas.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:43 am

Metsfanmax wrote:I'm putting my efforts into different arenas.


arena football?

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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:52 am

saxitoxin wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:I'm putting my efforts into different arenas.


arena football?



A man has his vices.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:01 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I don't hate the government. Or, more accurately, I don't hate everything about government. I think the federal government is largely self-serving, and that, in and of itself, is fine to an extent. My concern (or hatred if you want) is that people don't think the government is self-serving. In other words, there are large swathes of people who either think that no one in the government is self-serving or that only the Republicans are self-serving or that only the Democrats are self-serving. Ultimately, my political message, at least to you and the Phatscottys of the world, is to get you to acknowledge that members of government are self-serving, no matter their political affiliations. I've never made a disparaging remark about President Obama in the "I hate you" vein. I'm simply trying to inform people as to the self-serving nature of things that the presdient does. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm doing this because I hate the president, which makes sense given your blind loyalty to him. Clearly you don't like criticism of Democrats, including the president, if it's being made by people who aren't also Democrats.

In terms of gun control, gun control supporters should be criticizing Congress and the president in equal measures to criticizing the NRA. They aren't doing that, making the argument (like you are) that essentially boils down to "At least they are doing something." The problem with this is twofold. First, it presupposes that whatever they are doing is "doing something" and I don't think it is. So, they are proposing to enact a law or are signing executive orders that will cost something and will not be effective. So there's that. Second, gun control supporters who don't realize that politicians are generally self-serving will chalk this battle up to the Democrats doing something and Republicans resisting it, and their future electoral decisions will be influenced by that.

The sad part about this whole thing, which we come back to, is that there really is no stark choice. Maybe you and others think this is a good thing, but I really don't. I think there needs to be multiple political parties and coalitions need to be struck, as it is in most other representative governments in the world. Right now, our choice for gun control, at least federally, is an ineffective Assault Weapons Ban or nothing. It's like saying we have the choice between hot pastrami on rye with swiss cheese or hot pastrami on rye with American cheese. Not really much of a choice. And yet we have pundits and politicians on the pro gun control side going on about how we need to do something and we need to support the president and this is a great law (related aside - the morning team on the sports talk radio station in Philadelphia was going on about how great the Assault Weapons Ban would be). On the anti gun control side we have the NRA and political pundits and politicians going on about how the president is a dictator and that the Assault Weapons Ban would take away constitutional rights. Both sides are being alarmist without actually discussing anything of substance. It's so absurd. I mean we have five or six different threads on gun control in this forum. The difference between this forum and Congress is that some of the pro gun control people are actually in favor of effective laws, which they may or may not realize will not be passed with this Congress or signed by this president.

So, what exactly is sad about my point of view again?

By the way, there are a number of politicians I like and have liked. But I like them with the background that I understand they are being self-serving. We don't live in a "West Wing" world where the president is extremely intelligent and makes all his decisions based on what's best for all Americans.


Ditto, and worth quoting fully.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:11 pm

When President Barack Obama rolled out his new political outfit last week, he and his allies declared it would be powered by grassroots activists and change politics from outside Washington. Not exactly. In its first days, Organizing for Action has closely affiliated itself with corporations such as Lockheed Martin, Citi and Duke Energy. Dubbed the “Road Ahead” meeting, the conference was sponsored by a White House-allied trade association called Business Forward, which is funded by major corporations including Microsoft, Walmart and PG&E – each of which sent senior executives to participate in a panel on how to boost American economic competitiveness.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/b ... ml?ml=po_r
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:11 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


I hate to break it to anyone - especially someone at the vanguard of the national intelligentsia as yourself - but Switzerland is not "full-Socialist" [sic] or even a "social democracy." On the Esping-Andersen decommodification index it is classified as a 'Liberal' economy, just like the U.S., which is not surprising given Switzerland's privately run for-profit health insurance system, lower spending on public education and banking-sector owned government.

http://www.espanet2012.info/__data/asse ... ream_2.pdf

Don't confuse the (relative) absence of endemic public sector corruption in Switzerland (versus the U.S.) and more efficient bureaucracies with the presence of a social democracy. In other words ...

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Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


Before you decide to seize control of the ship, you may want to take a navigation class or two.

Or maybe get one of the molecular biologists or astrophysicists you bowl with to tag in for you in this thread ...


I literally know nothing about Switzerland's government, and I very much so doubt TGD knows much more than I do. But I knew he would understand my point when I used Switzerland as an example. I chose that country only to feed you. Your character is kinda overwhelmingly predictable. Maybe I'll follow your formula and replace you sometime like Jack the Pumpkin King.

thegreekdog wrote:I don't hate the government. Or, more accurately, I don't hate everything about government. I think the federal government is largely self-serving, and that, in and of itself, is fine to an extent. My concern (or hatred if you want) is that people don't think the government is self-serving. In other words, there are large swathes of people who either think that no one in the government is self-serving or that only the Republicans are self-serving or that only the Democrats are self-serving. Ultimately, my political message, at least to you and the Phatscottys of the world, is to get you to acknowledge that members of government are self-serving, no matter their political affiliations. I've never made a disparaging remark about President Obama in the "I hate you" vein. I'm simply trying to inform people as to the self-serving nature of things that the presdient does. You seem to be under the delusion that I'm doing this because I hate the president, which makes sense given your blind loyalty to him. Clearly you don't like criticism of Democrats, including the president, if it's being made by people who aren't also Democrats.

You've said over and over again that both parties are the same, and now you want to argue that they are self-serving instead, but they are not. And to prove it all you've used ludicrous examples, my message to you would be to answer for that before you tell me that I'm the one who's wrong here. Obviously I know a little something-something about what I'm talking about here. The parties are not the same, and neither are they run by corporations. I maintain that the members and staff of each party believe in what they are doing and they earnestly believe that they know what is best for the country.
Of course I believe that you hate government when you continue to attack it for being run by two political parties who are destroying us all for their own personal gain without being able to support your position. You given me many examples, and I've explained why they're wrong, but you just go on like it never happened.

thegreekdog wrote:In terms of gun control, gun control supporters should be criticizing Congress and the president in equal measures to criticizing the NRA. They aren't doing that, making the argument (like you are) that essentially boils down to "At least they are doing something." The problem with this is twofold. First, it presupposes that whatever they are doing is "doing something" and I don't think it is. So, they are proposing to enact a law or are signing executive orders that will cost something and will not be effective. So there's that. Second, gun control supporters who don't realize that politicians are generally self-serving will chalk this battle up to the Democrats doing something and Republicans resisting it, and their future electoral decisions will be influenced by that.

Why should we be equally critical of Congress and the NRA? You're presupposing a lot here. Just because you believe that we should enforce the laws that are already on the books does not mean that everyone else should find that solution practical. You commented on the Jon Stewart video where he explained that it is now law that the Executive cannot track the sale of guns, without a new law or executive order. Therefor Obama cannot enforce the laws that are already on the books. And while I'm not convinced that this new round of legislation will stop gun violence, I'm also a goddamn adult and I understand the overwhelming amount of pressure that's on the legislative and executive branch right now. Bending like a reed in the wind does not make anyone a sell-out, it makes them smart. Have you not seen how big of a shit-fit people have had on this forum because of a basic gun control discussion? And why should it not follow that a new executive order to track the distribution of guns wouldn't help? Or a national campaign to educate the public about guns? At no point did I ever say "at least they are doing something." They aren't going the full distance that I want to go, no, but it is a legitimate compromise and a step closer to where I'd like to be.
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thegreekdog wrote:The sad part about this whole thing, which we come back to, is that there really is no stark choice. Maybe you and others think this is a good thing, but I really don't. I think there needs to be multiple political parties and coalitions need to be struck, as it is in most other representative governments in the world.

There is nothing stopping you, or Saxi, or anyone from forming a new party or alliance. The Tea Party came out of practically nowhere, oozing out of backwoods and swamp hollows to become a major movement for radicals.





stahrgazer wrote:Those analysts also indicate that a loophole in the existing laws, if closed, would possibly have prevented Aurora, and could be done without curtailing the freedoms and rights of law abiding citizens. Neither the law abiding citizens, nor the guns themselves, did any of the nastiness that is resulting in the crazed kneejerks that are proposed.

stahrgazer wrote:The idea of hiring resource officers for each school sounds nice, but I don't want to pay for it. I'd prefer citizen volunteer militia to take care of that, including teachers, administrators, and folks in the neighborhood (like a citizens watch - only, trained and armed as they choose.)

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"Law abiding citizens" should have militias to patrol and protect them.... kk thanx...
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:16 pm

Citizen's Militias

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I'm pretty sure that Reagan's beloved law making it a crime for armed people to parade together on the street was aimed directly at the Black Panthers.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

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Juan_Bottom wrote:"Law abiding citizens" should have militias to patrol and protect them.... kk thanx...


You read it wrong, then.

I said, law abiding citizens should BE the militia volunteering to patrol schools, like a neighborhood watch.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

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stahrgazer wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:"Law abiding citizens" should have militias to patrol and protect them.... kk thanx...


You read it wrong, then.

I said, law abiding citizens should BE the militia volunteering to patrol schools, like a neighborhood watch.


That's what the Black Panthers and KKK have done in the past.
What do you call a system of government that has armed patrols everywhere?
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:58 am

According to American History: Revelations from Juan_Bottom, the US has only had two Citizens' Militias: the Black Panthers and the KKK.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:33 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


I hate to break it to anyone - especially someone at the vanguard of the national intelligentsia as yourself - but Switzerland is not "full-Socialist" [sic] or even a "social democracy." On the Esping-Andersen decommodification index it is classified as a 'Liberal' economy, just like the U.S., which is not surprising given Switzerland's privately run for-profit health insurance system, lower spending on public education and banking-sector owned government.

http://www.espanet2012.info/__data/asse ... ream_2.pdf

Don't confuse the (relative) absence of endemic public sector corruption in Switzerland (versus the U.S.) and more efficient bureaucracies with the presence of a social democracy. In other words ...

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Juan_Bottom wrote:Small countries like Switzerland took less than a decade to turn full-Socialist


Before you decide to seize control of the ship, you may want to take a navigation class or two.

Or maybe get one of the molecular biologists or astrophysicists you bowl with to tag in for you in this thread ...


I literally know nothing about Switzerland's government


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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:46 am

I'd support a measure requiring all guns at all times to be painted in alternating stripes of light purple and lime green.

This way people can still use guns for whatever purpose they see fit, but the macho factor is drastically reduced.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:56 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:I'd support a measure requiring all guns at all times to be painted in alternating stripes of light purple and lime green.

This way people can still use guns for whatever purpose they see fit, but the macho factor is drastically reduced.


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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Jan 27, 2013 7:01 pm

Gun Buyback vs. Supply & Demand
Winner: Supply & Demand


Seattle police exchanged $80,000 in gift cards for guns Saturday in a buyback event that resembled a freewheeling outdoor gun show as private buyers offered cash deals to tempt those standing in line. People on foot and in vehicles were corralled into a parking lot underneath Interstate 5 between Cherry and James streets, where they traded unwanted weapons to police for gift cards of $100 for handguns, shotguns and rifles, and $200 for assault weapons.

Officers stood by as makeshift gun shows sprang up on the sidewalks, just steps away from the buyback tents, as gun enthusiasts and collectors waved wads of cash for the guns being held by those standing in line.

“I’d prefer they wouldn’t sell them,” [Police Chief] Diaz said of the people in line making deals with the gun buyers.

One man jumped out of his vehicle as he was waiting in bumper-to-bumper traffic at the buyback and asked how much the gun enthusiasts and collectors were willing to pay for his three guns. He pocketed $500.

Dean Sabol, of Shoreline, who was turning in his grandfather’s shotgun and rifle, said the police were understaffed and slow, creating a free-for-all of buying and selling literally just a few feet away.

“It’s worse than a gun show,” Sabol said as he stood in line.

Police wandered the streets advising people to turn in their guns so the guns so they could be destroyed instead of selling them to the gun enthusiasts.

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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:56 am

As we can see, the Seattle government is aware of and is capable of achieving the common good, which is why it set the correct price for all handguns and assault rifles.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby stahrgazer on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:10 pm

Juan_Bottom wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:"Law abiding citizens" should have militias to patrol and protect them.... kk thanx...


You read it wrong, then.

I said, law abiding citizens should BE the militia volunteering to patrol schools, like a neighborhood watch.


That's what the Black Panthers and KKK have done in the past.
What do you call a system of government that has armed patrols everywhere?


You're still reading it wrong.

The BP and the KKK could hardly be considered volunteer militia formed like a neighborhood watch to protect schools; and a militia of volunteers like a neighborhood watch is hardly a government patrol.

In fact, the reason to prefer a volunteer militia like a neighborhood watch is to prevent "the government" from having armed patrols everywhere - which is right in line with the 2nd Amendment.
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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:19 pm

stahrgazer wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:"Law abiding citizens" should have militias to patrol and protect them.... kk thanx...


You read it wrong, then.

I said, law abiding citizens should BE the militia volunteering to patrol schools, like a neighborhood watch.


That's what the Black Panthers and KKK have done in the past.
What do you call a system of government that has armed patrols everywhere?


You're still reading it wrong.

The BP and the KKK could hardly be considered volunteer militia formed like a neighborhood watch to protect schools; and a militia of volunteers like a neighborhood watch is hardly a government patrol.

In fact, the reason to prefer a volunteer militia like a neighborhood watch is to prevent "the government" from having armed patrols everywhere - which is right in line with the 2nd Amendment.


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Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:11 pm

In the slave-holding South, militias existed only to hunt down fugitive slaves. They also formed the basis of lynch mobs, and they were the first armed men to respond to John Brown's Raid. They also interfered with the Federal Government's ability to police. These Militia's seem inarguably the parent of the KKK to me. The KKK also formed neighborhood watches and Militia's. The Ossian Sweet Case involving Clarance Darrow is a fine example of this.

The Black Panthers formed Militias to protect their communities from intimidation, drug dealers, and outside influences. These Militia's are the very reason Ronald Reagan signed a law forbidding armed groups from patrolling. Black militias with guns. . . *shivers*

This is what I'm talking about. In each case, these Militia's were law-abiding, armed, and operated with the consent of their communities. They also lead to arms-races between these two communities. But what's the difference? I'm not reading it wrong, I'm explaining why your argument is dangerous and inadequate. Under your plan/dream/idea, if the KKK wants to form a volunteer militia to protect your school, then technically there's no way for the government to tell them "no." They couldn't stop them from adopting highways, so how can they stop them from creating your armed citizen militias?
And more importantly, why would you or anyone want to stop them? I mean, I know why I would want to stop them, but I think this idea is silly.
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Postby 2dimes on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:31 pm

How do you suggest we keep whitey out of our schools.
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Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:55 am

2dimes wrote:How do you suggest we keep whitey out of our schools.


I laughed.
We have to control the production and distribution of Mayonnaise... after that whitey does what we tell him. We don't need guns, we need egg whites and spices.



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Re: What specific gun control measures would you support?

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:39 pm

Tina Turner Renounces U.S. Citizenship, Now a Citizen of "Full Socialist" [sic - Juan_Bottom] Switzerland

A Swiss paper wrote Friday that the 73-year-old had been granted citizenship, according to the Associated Press. The Nutbush, Tenn.-born singer has passed a local civics test and interview.

The singer wanted to "clarify her situation," Turner's rep told the Swiss newspaper Zuerichsee-Zeitung.

"Tina Turner will therefore also give back her U.S. citizenship," her rep said.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/go ... 5546.story


the strategic move means Turner is no longer a "wealthy foreigner" and is now a "wealthy native" and will be able to lock-in her rock-bottom Swiss income tax in the face of a local move to jack-up rates on expats

Although they pay lower taxes across all income brackets than Americans and other Europeans, many Swiss are increasingly critical of the preferential tax treatment their government extends to wealthy foreigners.

http://world.time.com/2012/10/31/switze ... -numbered/


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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:57 pm

Nutbush? Hot!
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