Questions for Evolutionists

[AndyDufresne]

Paintings aren't always clear in their subject matter, without the original reference.




--Andy

[Lootifer]

http://www.generalforum.com/science/did ... 94028.html

The above drawing is found in Utah, USA. It was made by American Indians 500 years ago. At the time the Indian people were nomadic tribesmen. That means that they moved around a lot. They were nomads by choice because the hunting of the American Buffalo was their main concern. Well, that and the smoking of the peace pipe. Who can blame them.

The Buffalo never stayed put in just one place. So where ever the Buffalo roamed the Indians followed. They had no cities or high technology and certainly did not have spare scientist digging for bones and collecting the bones where ever they went. Spending the night dancing and singing songs around the camp fire to their gods was the height of their scientific endeavors.

So my question is...

If no one has seen a dinosaur in over 60,000,000 million years, Then just what the hell were they drawing in the cave walls?

There is an image of a man which is certainly definable but what creature even remotely resembles that of a large Horse with a tail the size of a tree and an obvious bump on it's head which we now know that some dinosaurs had atop their heads?

The painting was made 500 years ago.

Lets for a minute assume that we have only been here for a few thousand years (thats inline with your belief Viceroy? take few thousand to mean anything between 3 and 30).

We certainly havent observed a living Dinosaur in human history, and certainly not in the last 2000 years.

So you are saying that a random nomadic tribe that is best known for smoking opiates managed to somehow keep an accurate picture of anything, dinosaur or otherwise, in their memory/records for no less than 1500 years?

You must be a pretty boring person to play chinese whispers with if that is the case...

[Viceroy63]

Answer this question, evolutionist?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W763lQR0tU

[Frigidus]

Answer this question, evolutionist?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W763lQR0tU

Despite having a question mark at the end of your sentence, I'm not seeing a question. Admitedly you do have a YouTube video, which I can only assume is about cats doing silly things.

[tzor]

Despite having a question mark at the end of your sentence, I'm not seeing a question. Admitedly you do have a YouTube video, which I can only assume is about cats doing silly things.

Actually it's more like "Bevis and Butthead watch a video on evolution."

I have a question for Viceroy63. Have you ever been to Key West Florida? (I doubt it, but I'll ask it anyway.)

Have you ever seen the cats at the Hemingway house?

DId you know those cats have six toes? They are known as Polydactyl cats. Thus the first Bevis and Buthead comment about how can new organs (like fins) appear after millions of years is clearly an ignorant one; unless you believe that the six toed cats were next to the regular cats on the ark.

[AAFitz]

Despite having a question mark at the end of your sentence, I'm not seeing a question. Admitedly you do have a YouTube video, which I can only assume is about cats doing silly things.

Actually it's more like "Bevis and Butthead watch a video on evil-ution."

Fixed

[Arama86n]

I have never been to this forum before. I just happened to stumble on it and noticed a couple of threads concerning God, evolution etc. Here is a list of questions for someone who considers himself an athiest or agnostic. Faith in evolution is as much a "religion" as judaism, Hinduism or any other system.

1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

2. Where did matter come from?

3. Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?

4. How did matter get so perfectly organized?

5. Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?

6. When, where, why, and how did life come from dead matter?

7. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

8. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

9. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)

10. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)

11. Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?

12. Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?

13. When, where, why, and how did: a) Single-celled plants become multicelled? (Where are the two- and threecelled intermediates?) b) Single-celled animals evolve? c) Fish change to amphibians? d) Amphibians change to reptiles? e) Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!) How did the intermediate forms live?

14. When, where, why, how, and from what did: a) Whales evolve? b) Sea horses evolve? c) Bats evolve? d) Eyes evolve? e) Ears evolve? f) Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?

15. Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others)? a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)? b) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? c) The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs? d) DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts? e) The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose? f) The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants? g) The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones? h) The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system? i) The immune system or the need for it? (Taken from "The Evidence Bible")

I do not have the answer to any of your questions.
I do have a counter-question though.

If god created all this, and he was there before it: where did god come from?
Thus we came down to the same problem anyway, something out of nothing.

[AAFitz]

Answer this question, evolutionist?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W763lQR0tU

That was not a question. That was a video. A bad one, but a video nonetheless.

An example of a question would be:

What is wrong with you?
Do you really consider this a valid source of any information whatsoever?
Is this what you consider scientific?
Did you post this for any other reason than to just waste peoples time?

Those are all questions, and in my opinion, much more valid ones than that sad excuse for a video.

If that got better after 3 minutes, I do apologize. I could not physically stand the silliness any longer.

[crispybits]

It didnt get any better after 3 minutes Fitz - trust me you didn't miss anything

[tzor]

Actually it's more like "Bevis and Butthead watch a video on evil-ution."

Fixed

But isn't "Evil-lution" more like the history and development of the Starbucks brand name?

(Bonus points if you can guess how I managed to go from point A to point B.)

[Viceroy63]

Ok then how do you explain the hundreds of documented photos and carvings and drawing of dinosaurs, other wise known as dragons through the earth in recent history when supposedly no one has seen a dinosaur in over 65,000,000 years?

http://www.skygaze.com/content/strange/Dinosaurs.shtml

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/peru-tomb-art.htm

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm

It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone—the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive. After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils.-----

Close up, the blood vessels from that T. rex and her ostrich cousins look remarkably alike. Inside the dinosaur vessels are things Schweitzer diplomatically calls “round microstructures” in the journal article, out of an abundance of scientific caution, but they are red and round, and she and other scientists suspect that they are red blood cells.----

Further discoveries in the past year have shown that the discovery of soft tissue in B. rex wasn’t just a fluke. Schweitzer and Wittmeyer have now found probable blood vessels, bone-building cells and connective tissue in another T. rex, in a theropod from Argentina and in a 300,000-year-old woolly mammoth fossil. Schweitzer’s work is “showing us we really don’t understand decay,” Holtz says. “There’s a lot of really basic stuff in nature that people just make assumptions about.”

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[Could it simply be that the carbon dating method is also based on assumptions and providing us with false dates measuring in Centuries and not eons of time and what they are saying is millions of years old is probably only thousands if not simply hundreds of years old?]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvmWOKMpFZ0


Marco Polo lived in China for 17 years, around 1271 A.D. Upon his return from Asia, he reported of families raising dragons, yoking them to royal chariots for parades and special occasions, and using dragon parts for medicinal purposes. Interestingly, the twelve signs of the Chinese zodiac are animals, eleven of which are everyday, extant creatures (rat, horse, dog, ox, rabbit, tiger, snake, ram, monkey, rooster, dog, and pig.) The twelfth is the dragon. Why would the Chinese include the “mythological” dragon with these common living animals? And we trust Marco for other history why not also dinosaurs or "Dragons"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmC4dwCc ... re=related

[BigBallinStalin]

1. There are translation errors in Marco Polo's works (see wiki).
2. In addition to Marco Polo and that kind of research, most people use other means of understanding history.
3. IIRC, Chinese dragons don't look like dinosaurs.
4. However, European depictions of dragons look like dinosaurs though,
5. Therefore, I recommend that you peruse European art and anecdotal stories for 'evidence' that dinosaurs existed in whatever period you hold dear.

[tzor]

Ok then how do you explain the hundreds of documented photos and carvings and drawing of dinosaurs, other wise known as dragons through the earth in recent history when supposedly no one has seen a dinosaur in over 65,000,000 years?

How do you explain all the hundreds of drawings of unicorns?

I can, of course, but I'm not going to right now ... instead I'll just ask this question ...



What dinosaur does this look like, because I don't recall seeing one that looked like that?

[AAFitz]

Actually it's more like "Bevis and Butthead watch a video on evil-ution."

Fixed

But isn't "Evil-lution" more like the history and development of the Starbucks brand name?

(Bonus points if you can guess how I managed to go from point A to point B.)

Family guy?

[AAFitz]

Ok then how do you explain the hundreds of documented photos and carvings and drawing of dinosaurs, other wise known as dragons through the earth in recent history when supposedly no one has seen a dinosaur in over 65,000,000 years?

How do you explain all the hundreds of drawings of unicorns?

I can, of course, but I'm not going to right now ... instead I'll just ask this question ...



What dinosaur does this look like, because I don't recall seeing one that looked like that?

Flamasaurus hoax.