Maugena wrote: PLAYER57832 wrote:
From the wikki article linked above... the first part of that article, in fact
In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces. Today[update], the Church's unofficial position is an example of theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation, stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict
Let me break it down for you.
In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution, provided that Christians believe that the individual soul is a direct creation by God and not the product of purely material forces.
This states that there is no intrinsic conflict
between Christianity and the theory of evolution.
Acceptance of evolution?
Oh please! Scientists don't "accept" evolution either, they just accept that the theory might be true and there is no other competing theory with anything like the same kind of evidence.
The Roman Catholic Church is not in the position of mandating science. They tell parishoners if something is opposed by the Bible or not. In this case, not... therefore your claim that the evolution is inherently opposed to Christianity is just plain false.
Today, the Church's unofficial position is an example of theistic evolution, also known as evolutionary creation, stating that faith and scientific findings regarding human evolution are not in conflict.
What does unofficial mean, Player?[/quote]
The official and unofficial position is that evolution is not contradicted by the Bible. The rest is not specified within the Bible, is based on ideas, and for various reasons that have more to do with changing science than theology, the position is unofficial.
ALSO.. there are some variations on that, another reason for it being unofficial. Nowhere does it say that evolution is diametrically opposed to the Bible, that the two are inconsistant as you claimed.
You are more than nit-picking my words, pretending that things are being said that have not and not standing by yours.
Maugena wrote:Furthermore, once the Bible is proven wrong, "God" is dis-proven because the Bible was "made" by "God", therefore it must be infallible. Since it isn't because of Evolution (and a long list of other things), CHRISTIANS have everything to lose because EVOLUTION DEMOLISHES THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE OLD TESTAMENT.
No, you wish to believe that, but it is not, in fact true.. as I HAVE shown. You can keep arguing your idiocy, but you make it clear you are going to stick with what you think, not the facts. You are worse than the young earthers.. you see the words and pretend you know better than millions of Christians.
Maugena wrote:Therefore, having proven Evolution, the Bible is revealed to be false - the very thing Christianity is entirely founded on.
See, the thing about logic is that when you start with a false assumption, then everything else that follows is pure garbage.
Yeah, and evolution is still a theory, not proven... so again, your words are garbage.
Maugena wrote:ou wish to think that the Bible refutes evolution. You are welcome to that belief, but don't confuse it with what Christians (or Jews or Muslims, for that matter) really believe.
The Bible DOES refute Evolution.
Are you really saying to me that Evolution was accepted since the inception of Christianity? Since Judaism?[/quote]
Maugena wrote:What was the belief before the theory of evolution?
Take a wild fucking guess.
Don't need to guess.. or curse. I know the answer. A variety of ideas and beliefs.
Within Judaism and Christianity there has ALWAYS been debate over the timeline in the Bible. Some have maintained a strict literalism, but others have said that, for example, that the day in the Bible is God's day, etc. In fact, that idea was far more prevalent than the absolute literalist ideas, despite what some evangelical groups like to claim now.
So we're at this...
PLAYER57832 wrote:The Roman Catholic Church has never disputed Evolution and has, since about 1950 officially stated that it is not in conflict with Christianity. Other Christian denominations have gone even further in support of evolution.
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND MOST PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS* HAVE LONG SINCE ACCEPTED EVOLUTION!
What's your position again?
You don't have to be foolishly prideful. You can admit when you goofed. I'll allow for it.
no dice. You have shown your idiocy yourself quite nicely. continue if you will, but you make it clear you have no pretense of truth.
OH, by the way, your claim was that Christianity, the Bible so inherently opposes Evolution that they have an inherent vested interest in declaiming it. I simply told you the truth, that they are not opposed to Evolution at all.
So go on with your blathering.