Funkyterrance wrote:Symmetry wrote:So what do you mean by more claim?
Well, to be fair, Juan has constructed a whole system of "what is offensive" where the weight of each individual offense is not decided by the emotional impact on the recipient but on the general consensus of "minds past and present" so yeah, JB needs to convincingly show why his personal reaction to the Holocaust joke thread is more valid than say tgd's reaction to a thread bashing the Catholic Church.
Jb is the one getting technical/scientific about the appropriate reactions to the multicolored rainbow that makes up all potentially offensive remarks/threads so why not discuss the strength of firsthand experiences versus secondhand, thirdhand and so on?
I don't personally think the details of the offense matter as long as someone is legitimately offended but Juan has made it abundantly clear that the details do matter so it's up to him to defend this monster he's created.
I have explained it several times. Page 12 was the last one.
Does anyone know if Voltaire or Aurileous is required reading in college? I didn't create this monster, and it was settled in the early 1700s.
Anyway, the forum has backed up what I said. Take a look at our threads. We have several going on right now where religion is being ridiculed, and one where people are gently explaining why the Holocaust isn't a laughing matter. This thread is just being avoided is all.
Just look at society in general. America is the only Western country where religion is considered too taboo for civilized discussion. Why is that? And why is it that our comedians make so many successful jokes about religion, but none about the Holocaust? Why is it that only corporations and businesses support the idea that any topic that can hurt feelings cannot be talked about? If a co-worker tells you that Apples hurt their feelings then you can't discuss apples.
Plus, we're talking about pedophilia, and you can't even address that. I don't understand if you're defending religion-supported pedophilia, or are saying that all Catholics aren't pedophiles or what exactly.
I'm not saying all Catholics are pedophiles, I was saying that the Catholic church is protecting pedophiles from the law. And for people to support that system is disgusting. And I made these statements like 2 years ago when there was a new story about a rape in the news everyday. We were all angry about it, and I still am. You're criticizing the fact that I criticized pedophilia and hurt tgd's feelings. Saxi says that TGD has a cult personality because he supports the church even though he doesn't support pedophilia (I presume). I don't know, but you have to question the moral integrity of anyone who would finance pedophilia. Don't you?
DoomYoshi wrote:I do care what the Catholic Church does. However, compared to the alternatives of "Get-Rich-Quick/Creationism" Protestantism (e.g. Joel Olsteen) or "Straps Bomb to Chest because there is no Halal meat at the Office Building Jewish Deli" Islam, I would prefer Catholicism.
Seconded. Plus, compared to other Christianitys, Catholicism has got some very rich and romantic history.
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:I didn't take exception to 'retarded' and if you want to use it I don't really care, though DD individuals and their families will.
In keeping with your "retarded shouldn't have such an impact" stance, shouldn't this extend to Nazi and Holocaust jokes? Mental retardation is much more relevant in today's world than WWII events.
Oh, I'm not going to use it. I do care.
My stance has changed.... and there have been other Genocides since then, so the Holocaust is still quite relevant.
Cambodia in the 70's
Bosnia in the 90's
Soviet Union... pretty much every year
Rowanda in the 90's and others
Plus, like I said, there are not only Holocaust survivors alive in the world, but also the children that they raised as well. Certainly the issue remains important and sensitive with them.