BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

[Juan_Bottom]

So let's get this straight.

Your grandfather is Jewish and happens to be one of 260 families in Norway that were sent to Auschwitz.

Your grandmother is either black or Catholic - since those are the two groups that the KKK killed.

You have a Spanish/English name.

You find it not bothersome at all to spew invective against the Catholics, meaning you are a member of the KKK.


Something in this story doesn't add up.

My grandmother is a Native American.
Kinda personal, isn't it? We don't know for sure what happened. The town's records are missing. Locals in Norway said that my great-aunt was taken to Germany. But we don't know what happened to anyone but my great-grandfather.
My name is Spanish.

You do not find it at all bothersome that Catholic priests have raped children and are being protected from prosecution from the law by members of the church? Meaning you are a member of NAMBLA.

[saxitoxin]

Also, that story is pretty similar to mine, and it seems pretty conceited of you to say that X person has more claim to be upset about the similar treatment of his relative than Y person.

Qwert has more claim to be upset about the treatment of his grandfather because his grandfather was, in fact, killed. Fifteen years ago.

Your contortionist attempts to try to get everyone to empathize with your self-perceived and self-assigned victim status now has you competing against others for which of you experienced the worst was acquainted with someone who experienced the worst ... it just gets weirder and weirder.

[Symmetry]

Also, that story is pretty similar to mine, and it seems pretty conceited of you to say that X person has more claim to be upset about the similar treatment of his relative than Y person.

Qwert has more claim to be upset about the treatment of his grandfather because his grandfather was, in fact, killed. Fifteen years ago.

Your contortionist attempts to try to get everyone to empathize with your self-perceived and self-assigned victim status now has you competing against others for who experienced the worst was acquainted with someone who experienced the worst ... it just gets weirder and weirder.

Are you saying that you want Qwert to complain before you consider this legitimate? That's an odd argument to make.

[saxitoxin]

Also, that story is pretty similar to mine, and it seems pretty conceited of you to say that X person has more claim to be upset about the similar treatment of his relative than Y person.

Qwert has more claim to be upset about the treatment of his grandfather because his grandfather was, in fact, killed. Fifteen years ago.

Your contortionist attempts to try to get everyone to empathize with your self-perceived and self-assigned victim status now has you competing against others for who experienced the worst was acquainted with someone who experienced the worst ... it just gets weirder and weirder.

Are you saying that you want Qwert to complain before you consider this legitimate?

Before I consider what legitimate? That Juan is a victim of the Holocaust by process of acquaintance? If Anne Frank logged onto Conquer Club it wouldn't make that legitimate.

[Symmetry]

Also, that story is pretty similar to mine, and it seems pretty conceited of you to say that X person has more claim to be upset about the similar treatment of his relative than Y person.

Qwert has more claim to be upset about the treatment of his grandfather because his grandfather was, in fact, killed. Fifteen years ago.

Your contortionist attempts to try to get everyone to empathize with your self-perceived and self-assigned victim status now has you competing against others for who experienced the worst was acquainted with someone who experienced the worst ... it just gets weirder and weirder.

Are you saying that you want Qwert to complain before you consider this legitimate?

Before I consider what legitimate? That Juan is a victim of the Holocaust by process of acquaintance? If Anne Frank logged onto Conquer Club it wouldn't make that legitimate.

So what do you mean by more claim? If Anne Frank has no claim to legitimacy, does anyone have a right to feel upset? (apart from, for some reason, Qwert?)

[Juan_Bottom]

Yeah, he made an embarrassing statement, I think. A rare slip-up.
But I do like how saxi worded his response so that any response to it makes it appear like I'm in a competition.
That was well written. On some levels, your vanity is well deserved Saxi-Henson, but I think that you've gone over to a point where you've become sort-of egocentric, but definitely a narcissistic monolauging egomaniacal. But, all the praise: it's not deserved by you. Your character is cleverly done, but all this praise is for your character, not for you as a puppeteer. Nobody remembers the writer, only the star actor.
When you actually try to debate or argue, it's mostly just hammering down any forum goer that should disagree with your unquestionable genius. And these arguments you expose like a raging Henry Ford have nothing to do with the topics, they're just personal attacks. This is a typical sign of a megalomaniac. You did it with player a lot, and sym too, and you also do it to me. And the only thing she and I have in common with them is that we challenge your authority. You've converted the forum with Saxitoxin cheerleaders, and may god have mercy on the soul of anyone who sounds more intelligent than you do about anything. You'll kill them, and your Saxitoads with laugh for your enjoyment.

[saxitoxin]

they're just personal attacks. This is a typical sign of a megalomaniac.

you are a member of NAMBLA

lol

[Juan_Bottom]

You're welcome that I gave you the chance to bail out on Sym, but still, the fact that you're an egomaniac is almost deserving of it's own thread I think. A thread like that can't be counted as a personal attack against you, because
A) you are an egomaniac
and
B) you're just a fictional character
Or wait, maybe (B) does make it a personal attack. I dunno,.. but I bet it would be a fun thread discussion to have.

[Funkyterrance]

So what do you mean by more claim?

Well, to be fair, Juan has constructed a whole system of "what is offensive" where the weight of each individual offense is not decided by the emotional impact on the recipient but on the general consensus of "minds past and present" so yeah, JB needs to convincingly show why his personal reaction to the Holocaust joke thread is more valid than say tgd's reaction to a thread bashing the Catholic Church.
Jb is the one getting technical/scientific about the appropriate reactions to the multicolored rainbow that makes up all potentially offensive remarks/threads so why not discuss the strength of firsthand experiences versus secondhand, thirdhand and so on?
I don't personally think the details of the offense matter as long as someone is legitimately offended but Juan has made it abundantly clear that the details do matter so it's up to him to defend this monster he's created.

[chang50]

So what do you mean by more claim?

Well, to be fair, Juan has constructed a whole system of "what is offensive" where the weight of each individual offense is not decided by the emotional impact on the recipient but on the general consensus of "minds past and present" so yeah, JB needs to convincingly show why his personal reaction to the Holocaust joke thread is more valid than say tgd's reaction to a thread bashing the Catholic Church.
Jb is the one getting technical/scientific about the appropriate reactions to the multicolored rainbow that makes up all potentially offensive remarks/threads so why not discuss the strength of firsthand experiences versus secondhand, thirdhand and so on?
I don't personally think the details of the offense matter as long as someone is legitimately offended but Juan has made it abundantly clear that the details do matter so it's up to him to defend this monster he's created.

Details like the Holocaust victims and their families actually being victims as compared to the hierarchy of the Catholic church who have repeatedly victimised people in their care historically?

[DoomYoshi]

So let's get this straight.

Your grandfather is Jewish and happens to be one of 260 families in Norway that were sent to Auschwitz.

Your grandmother is either black or Catholic - since those are the two groups that the KKK killed.

You have a Spanish/English name.

You find it not bothersome at all to spew invective against the Catholics, meaning you are a member of the KKK.


Something in this story doesn't add up.

My grandmother is a Native American.
Kinda personal, isn't it? We don't know for sure what happened. The town's records are missing. Locals in Norway said that my great-aunt was taken to Germany. But we don't know what happened to anyone but my great-grandfather.
My name is Spanish.

You do not find it at all bothersome that Catholic priests have raped children and are being protected from prosecution from the law by members of the church? Meaning you are a member of NAMBLA.

Yea, you are right on this, I'm sorry for that post.

I do care what the Catholic Church does. However, compared to the alternatives of "Get-Rich-Quick/Creationism" Protestantism (e.g. Joel Olsteen) or "Straps Bomb to Chest because there is no Halal meat at the Office Building Jewish Deli" Islam, I would prefer Catholicism.

[GeneralRisk]

So let's get this straight.

Your grandfather is Jewish and happens to be one of 260 families in Norway that were sent to Auschwitz.

Your grandmother is either black or Catholic - since those are the two groups that the KKK killed.

You have a Spanish/English name.

You find it not bothersome at all to spew invective against the Catholics, meaning you are a member of the KKK.


Something in this story doesn't add up.

My grandmother is a Native American.
Kinda personal, isn't it? We don't know for sure what happened. The town's records are missing. Locals in Norway said that my great-aunt was taken to Germany. But we don't know what happened to anyone but my great-grandfather.
My name is Spanish.

You do not find it at all bothersome that Catholic priests have raped children and are being protected from prosecution from the law by members of the church? Meaning you are a member of NAMBLA.

Yea, you are right on this, I'm sorry for that post.

I do care what the Catholic Church does. However, compared to the alternatives of "Get-Rich-Quick/Creationism" Protestantism (e.g. Joel Olsteen) or "Straps Bomb to Chest because there is no Halal meat at the Office Building Jewish Deli" Islam, I would prefer Catholicism.

Well said.The Pope salutes you.

[GBU56]

Enough said

[Funkyterrance]

Details like the Holocaust victims and their families actually being victims as compared to the hierarchy of the Catholic church who have repeatedly victimised people in their care historically?

I you haven't noticed, CC is not a courtroom and there are no laws so to speak about what is offensive and what isn't, barring the forum guidelines. So no, there is not nescessarily any more validity to Juan's case than tgd's unless the community as a whole agrees that it's so. In fact, thus far it appears as though more individuals are claiming that JB's second hand involvement in the Holocaust has no more if not less validity than any other "butthurt" that might occur on here. Juan, and now chang, are assuming facts(second hand affects of the Holocaust are somehow more valid than the affects of firsthand insults to one's church) to base their entire case when it appears as though this is not even the general consensus. For the umpteenth time, the Holocaust, due to it's not-so-recent nature, is not considered by some to have the gravity that JB insists it should.
Need I remind those out there that JB and others have a tendency to mock/demonize the church and those of faith, not discuss it/them? Surely this needs to be taken into consideration as well.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

At the start of this thread I used the R word, and you took exception to that. I don't necessarily understand why anyone would believe that that word still holds enough power to be unusable in civilized conversation. But I accept the argument from authority that I don't need to understand it, if you do. I remember back in the day you mentioned that you had someone in your family who was mentally challenged or it has something to do with your job or some junk I'm not sure because I can't remember.....
Anyway, the point is that I accept that you are in the position to tell me that it's not ok.

I didn't take exception to 'retarded' and if you want to use it I don't really care, though DD individuals and their families will. I used that to point out that while on your crusade to label participants in the thread as detractors of Holocaust survivors and heartless fiends, you use a similarly offensive term often. This wasn't just restricted to this thread, as I've noticed you've used the adjective 'retarded' before. If you wish to argue that 'retarded' shouldn't have that kind of power, fine, and I would be inclined to agree with you, as I think 'nigger' or any other derogatory term should be likewise lessened in its impact. But the fact remains that, if I were to use the term 'nigger' around a person of African descent, no matter its context, they would probably take exception to that; likewise, if you're going to use the term 'retarded,' a DD individual cogent enough to understand the word will also take exception. You know this already as in your response to my first post you yourself said the current term is DD and not 'retarded.'

In keeping with your "retarded shouldn't have such an impact" stance, shouldn't this extend to Nazi and Holocaust jokes? Mental retardation is much more relevant in today's world than WWII events.

For reference, yes, I work with individuals with DD.

I did not read it. Start over. Wait, . .
Are you saying that Holocaust humor is satire? Why aren't you even using Comedys that take place during the Holocaust as your examples? Like To Be or Not to Be or the Great Dictator?
...
But

All of my ancestor on my grandfather's side were killed by the Nazis except for him. My grandmother was an orphan who's brother was shot and killed by the KKK. After that, they strung his body up in a tree and used him for target practice. I was not raised by my parents, I was raised by these two people.

Now

When you say that the R word is still very offensive, I accept it, because it came from you. But when I say that it's unacceptable to make Holocaust jokes, you tell me that no one gives a shit and you make elaborate arguments about pop satire to make me look senile.

Nobody says that's not tragic. It is incredibly tragic.

-TG