Conquer Club

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:52 pm**

aage wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation

I'll just leave this here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)

Fiction? *sigh...

[Insert belief here]

[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]

Hey, aage, are you a creationist?

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:18 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:
aage wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation

I'll just leave this here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)

Fiction? *sigh...

[Insert belief here]

[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]

Hey, aage, are you a creationist?

Lit is not necessarily true, but it contains human truth which is truth enough for an internet discussion. I mean, you're copying text and replacing two words, for heaven's sake.

Not a creationist but the idea isn't bad. Also, Mein Kampf is fiction. How did that turn out?

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:02 pm**

aage wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
aage wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation

I'll just leave this here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)

Fiction? *sigh...

[Insert belief here]

[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]

Hey, aage, are you a creationist?

Lit is not necessarily true, but it contains human truth which is truth enough for an internet discussion. I mean, you're copying text and replacing two words, for heaven's sake.

Not a creationist but the idea isn't bad. Also, Mein Kampf is fiction. How did that turn out?

Fiction is not at all true; however, it can contain some semblance of truth yet also many falsehoods which can be appealing to our cognitive bias.

Mein Kampf didn't hit the New York Times Top 10 Bestseller's List, if that's what you mean. Fiction is a means through which the power of ideas can be magnified. This can be great or terrible, but fiction has its constraints, which some fail to identify. Just sayin'.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:10 pm**

Its taken a while to come up with a reply here, and I finally came up with a response. Colbert could do it.

Now, I dont mean to suggest he would be making fun of the holocaust, its victims or its survivors of course, but as a parody, would be making fun of those who would. Family Guy does the same thing, but sometimes trade the parody for a quick laugh...which, is what comedy is, but at the very least they'd probably get censored before they went down that route. I can only imagine a few fell on the cutting floor, that were beyond what anyone would ever want to say in any other setting than with a bunch of irreverent comedians.

Humor does make us think, on a deeper level than we otherwise would, so theoretically, its possible such a joke is possible, but Im not entirely sure if that's what BBS meant.

Honestly, he seems to be avoiding the whole "what kind of jokes about the holocaust are funny" questions, but there is that one loophole, that he could have meant, and therefore not have been as offensive as it really does from that one statement. Its also possible it was written without too much thought, and if you need any previous examples of him doing that...just click on "Search BBS posts"

One thing for sure, its dangerous business, and probably best to be avoided at all costs.

Hitler jokes on the other hand, tell those things all day long: They dont even have to be good, like this one:

Why did Hitler cross the road?

So he could shoot himself in the head. Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:14 pm**

AAFitz wrote:Its taken a while to come up with a reply here, and I finally came up with a response. Colbert could do it.

Now, I dont mean to suggest he would be making fun of the holocaust, its victims or its survivors of course, but as a parody, would be making fun of those who would. Family Guy does the same thing, but sometimes trade the parody for a quick laugh...which, is what comedy is, but at the very least they'd probably get censored before they went down that route. I can only imagine a few fell on the cutting floor, that were beyond what anyone would ever want to say in any other setting than with a bunch of irreverent comedians.

It makes us think, on a deeper level than we otherwise would, so theoretically, its possible, but Im not entirely sure if thats what BBS meant.

That's another valid aspect of comedy worth highlighting.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:55 pm**

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
Gillipig wrote:

Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you find funny. If you can dig up statistics on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.

Give us an example then. Shouldn't be too hard to find one of those jokes that you don't find funny. If you can get so Swedish on obscure topics, finding some holocaust joke shouldn't be too hard.

You can't even come up with one example lol.

You can't even come up with one example lol.

BBS just turned five years old. You're on the ropes BBS, throw in the towel and just admit it, you regret the shit out of ever having said the holocaust could be funny!

When you go to a funeral, do you pull down your pants and take a shit in the middle of the room? With jokes, context matters. I imagine that in Sweden there is no humor and only cold titties--an unfortunate place.

If it is your funeral, then yes!

You just made a huge blunder. You compared joking about the holocaust to crapping in a funeral, that was just the point I was trying to make. You just don't do that shit!

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:57 pm**

Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:When you go to a funeral, do you pull down your pants and take a shit in the middle of the room? With jokes, context matters. I imagine that in Sweden there is no humor and only cold titties--an unfortunate place.
If it is your funeral, then yes!

You just made a huge blunder. You compared joking about the holocaust to crapping in a funeral, that was just the point I was trying to make. You just don't do that shit!

I think making a pun about shit at the end of this was disrespectful to dead people.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:02 pm**

AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:When you go to a funeral, do you pull down your pants and take a shit in the middle of the room? With jokes, context matters. I imagine that in Sweden there is no humor and only cold titties--an unfortunate place.
If it is your funeral, then yes!

You just made a huge blunder. You compared joking about the holocaust to crapping in a funeral, that was just the point I was trying to make. You just don't do that shit!

I think making a pun about shit at the end of this was disrespectful to dead people.

Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:06 pm**

Wow, I wasn't mentioned once in this thread? I am disappoint.

Also, either it's all funny or none of it is.

Also, Appeal to South Park:

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:08 pm**

Oh, and I didn't read the novel The Wave but I did watch the film and it while I thought it was a good movie and could work as an allegory but I hardly think it would accurately represent what would happen in a real world classroom.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:09 pm**

Gillipig wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:When you go to a funeral, do you pull down your pants and take a shit in the middle of the room? With jokes, context matters. I imagine that in Sweden there is no humor and only cold titties--an unfortunate place.
If it is your funeral, then yes!

You just made a huge blunder. You compared joking about the holocaust to crapping in a funeral, that was just the point I was trying to make. You just don't do that shit!

I think making a pun about shit at the end of this was disrespectful to dead people.

Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say. :oops:

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:11 pm**

AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say.

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:30 pm**

Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say.

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

"Crappy"
"Shitting at a funeral"

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:35 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say.

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

"Crappy"
"Shitting at a funeral"

Hmm, you may be right tgd and if so, touche.
In my defense, I was reading fitz's post which included only gillipig's one quote and fitz's response combined with his emote. Fitz, what's the verdict here? Is my funny bone broken or is tgd's joke-o-meter FUBAR?

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:37 pm**

Gillipig wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:When you go to a funeral, do you pull down your pants and take a shit in the middle of the room? With jokes, context matters. I imagine that in Sweden there is no humor and only cold titties--an unfortunate place.
If it is your funeral, then yes!

You just made a huge blunder. You compared joking about the holocaust to crapping in a funeral, that was just the point I was trying to make. You just don't do that shit!

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:57 pm**

thegreekdog wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say.

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

"Crappy"
"Shitting at a funeral"

Thank you tgd! I haven't had the chance to use that pic in a while

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:14 pm**

Army of GOD wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.

Thats a crappy thing to say.

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

"Crappy"
"Shitting at a funeral"

Thank you tgd! I haven't had the chance to use that pic in a while

Actually I think you used it prematurely. I believe funky was questioning what Gillipig wrote, not my....err...shitty joke.
I think he was backing me up on some level, to be honest.

TGD then assumed that Funky was saying that my crappy line didnt make sense, and then you applauded TGD for slightly misunderstanding what Funky meant.

All parties, mostly funky will have to confirm this, but I think that's the situation, however mundane and pointless it may be.

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:27 pm**

TGD said what he said because FT was agreeing with a jestful post. Notice the "also".

Posted: **Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:42 pm**

this thread blows now

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:14 am**

There is a distinct difference between criticism and being offensive, just like there is a distinct difference from making a joke thread about Holocaust or Nazi themed movie names and being anti-semitic. I am not offended by criticism of the Catholic Church or Catholics. I am offended by what I deem offensive (yes, what I deem offensive) posts regarding Catholics. The way I deal with that, so as not to get into an argument about what is or is not offensive to me, is to not read or not reply to said posts. You are equating my participation in a thread about Holocaust or Nazi themed movie names as being more offensive than your outright anti-Catholicism and bigotry. Seriously?

Riiiiight....
So I criticize Catholics for protecting widespread child-raping, and that makes me a bigot?
I have never once, not a single time ever - made a Catholic joke. I have only criticized your belief system and financial support for child rapists.

Why do I need to explain why mocking Catholicism is insensitive to me? I didn't expect you to explain why making a Holocaust-themed movie thread was offensive or insensitive to you. No one was mocking the Holocaust or Jews in that thread. I'm not insecure in my beliefs, I just find the whole situation so insanely hypocritical. I'm more offended by your hypocrisy than your bigotry.

Because you're not a victim of bigotry, and you want to be... You chose to support an institution that hides child rapists, so you deserve to be criticized for it. It's the choices we make that earn criticism or mocking. But you say that your true belief is that of a corporate handbook; "it doesn't matter why someone finds something offensive. The moment they say 'I'm offended' then everyone needs to stfu."
Informal human interaction doesn't run on the human resources model - if you cannot reasonably explain why it offends you, then you can stfu. For example; Nobody should be barred from making jokes about apples just because you say "oh I'm offended by apple jokes!" The line in the sand is when someone is making fun of something that happened that cannot be changed. When you say "ok Juan, while I think that it's funny that the Holocaust happened, I will stop making jokes so you don't get offended" you are being veritably patronizing. And to follow that with "so can you also stop making fun of my testicle hat that my religion makes me wear?" is laughable and also patronizing. It's also downplaying the significance of genocide. The code of Honor that I am speaking of, sir, is one of humanity, while yours is one of "I don't care till someone speaks up, then I pretend to care."

Comedians don't have Holocaust Joke Sets, and they don't have 9-11 Joke Sets. But they do have Religious Joke Sets... because you can choose what you believe, but you cannot choose the events that happen to you. And again, I've never made a joke about Catholicism ever. Have I previously insulted Catholicism? Probably. And that's not a joke. But do Catholics deserve the same sensitivity as Holocaust victims? God damn it, no.
It's such a funny position to hold in that Catholics even consented to the Holocaust. And it's simple-minded to argue that anyone who insults Catholic indoctrination, child-rape, or Catholic whatever is as guilty as someone who makes fun of the Holocaust. Again I have to comment that it is so weird that in this nation alone among the West we are so desperate to pretend that religion is above criticism or that being part of a religion makes you a victim.

The threads mocking those things were offensive to me. You (and pimpdave) posted in those threads at length in what, to me, was a rather disgusting way which was meant to troll me or bait me. Instead of choosing option (c), which would have been the gentlemenly way to go, you chose option (d).

1) that never happened
2) I did not even know you were a Catholic until this. Nor did I care. I'm not even a Jew, so far as I understand it. It's all irrelevant to me because I'm not going to say something behind your back that I wouldn't say to your face. That's why I keep telling you not to pretend to care about Holocaust victims to my face.

Since JBII is here, I'd like to use him as an example. I believe that he is wholly misled and wrong about Agnosticism. In fact, I pretty much disdain Agnosticism and I have dually criticized him for it. And he's dually criticized me for my Atheism, which I presume he equally despises. But I can separate the belief from the man, and I don't have a single problem with JBII and would probably be good friends with him irl. I do not question his integrity at all, I simply disagree with him about religion. It's not really a big deal... it's not like he's hurting anyone.
That said, I do question the integrity of anyone who donates their time or money to an organization that continues to shelter child molesters from the law. They are hurting people..... people who, like Saxi says are "out of sight, out of mind." Of course the church has in the last two years done a much better job investigating and cooperating with police. HOWEVER, the members of the Catholic church hierarchy who knew about the rapes and shuffled the offending priests to new churches are still being protected. And if your offended by my candor in saying that out loud, then maybe you should leave the church. If you have a problem with child molestation yet continue to financially support it, then yes, I do question your integrity. So should you.

But there is a level of respect that should be accorded a person because of their religious beliefs.

No there isn't at all.
If you want religious "respect" then keep your religion to yourself and out of public. If you choose to tell people about your beliefs then be prepared to be criticized for them. I don't care if we're talking about a religious faith, economics, science, or whatever,... you should be ready to be criticized for them and hopefully able to defend them. You can say whatever you like about what I believe:

And I will defend all of it.
And if you can't take criticism, then you're insecure and irrelevant. There were men before Darwin who hypothesized about evolution, but only one, Alfred Russel Wallace, was willing to write about it. That's the reason why we respectfully remember Wallace and Darwin but none of those others. Maybe you think laughing at the Holocaust and then faking sensitivity is the way you want to be remembered, but it wont be respectful remembrance.

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:28 am**

john9blue wrote:this thread blows now

I feel like it was a gradual progression but eh.

Yeah so to be perfectly honest, since this thread blows now anyway, I was responding more to Gilli's post than fitz's in that it didn't make much sense(not to mention crappy in numerous ways). I believe I noticed the "poo" correlation but I was not focused on this aspect(funny bone was temporarily disabled). I'll have to say this all just reminds me how much emoticons are open to interpretation though, if Fitz had chosen a more smug emote it would have been clear as day.(Embarrased?)
Just to be clear AoG, I don't mean to rain on your parade. If these sequence of events make you happy I see no reason to interrupt your glee.

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:36 am**

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ok, so BBS obviously has no right to tell you how you should deal with your grief, that much is pretty clear.

Just to be clear here: I didn't live through the Holocaust and I have no grief about it. I only have vast amounts of sorrow and sympathy. Two feelings which our other forum members are sadly lacking.

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
Juan wrote:We do not even use the term 'mentally retarded,' we use the term 'developmentally disabled.'
Moron, Stupid, Idiot, Imbecile, etc were once all terms used to describe varying degrees of developmental disabilities. Do 'tons of mentally retarded people' have a problem with those words? Nope. What you actually said was accidentally insulting when you called them 'Mentally Retarded.' It's the same as calling a little person a 'midget.' I'm sure that they're ok with the word "midget," just don't call them one. Anyway, get your sh*t together man, you're supposed to be one of the good guys!

Mentally retarded is the term you'll find on medical sheets. Trust me. The DD term is the nice pc version we use for program details and intra-company talk to avoid the stigma of 'retarded.'

I guarantee you that if you use the term 'retarded' around DD individuals, there are a very large percentage that are going to have a behavior. Just trust me on that.

-TG

saxitoxin wrote:Time to take the pledge, Juan.

I wasn't going to talk about this, but I've changed my mind. One time, back in the day when Paul Ryan was still a VP nominee, John9Blue said that people were naturally selfish pricks who wanted to make the world better for themselves, not make the world better for everyone else. I didn't comment, but it disturbed me that anyone thought like this... I've never forgotten it. And I've always believe that people are generally good, loving, and compassionate. I know that I've always wanted to make the world a better place. But now...
I've read the responses to this thread, and I have little choice but to agree with what JBII said... people are selfish pricks. I'm surrounded by selfish assholes.
Obviously BBS is ashamed... when have you ever seen BBS respond to sharp criticism with short posts of 1 or 2 sentences? He's so obviously shamed, and unwilling to articulate any of the book-long posts he made at me attacking my defense of the living memory of the Holocaust. How can you not see that?
This thread has been an appeal to humanity, and in my opinion it's been a dismal failure... the humanity is desperately lacking here.

Take a look at the posts above, I may have been utterly wrong to argue that that word is acceptable. I'm not so sure, either way now... TA1LGUNN3R would almost certainly know more than I would. I was willing to defend my use of it, and I did a good job too I think... but that means nothing in the face of TA1LGUNN3R's authority.
So later, when Saxi attempted to capitalize on my blunder, and snipe at me for saying that, NONE OF YOU cared to defend it ever.... but yet you all think it's great to make Holocaust jokes.... my appeal to humanity was answered by a call for more Holocaust jokes.... meanwhile you all agree by silent consent that the word I used is distasteful.
I'm so disgusted.

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:44 am**

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this being our grandparent's generation... eah, totally appropriate jokes!

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:10 am**

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ok, so BBS obviously has no right to tell you how you should deal with your grief, that much is pretty clear.

Just to be clear here: I didn't live through the Holocaust and I have no grief about it. I only have vast amounts of sorrow and sympathy. Two feelings which our other forum members are sadly lacking.

I may be off my guess here but I'm not getting the impression that people lack sympathy for holocaust victims, they just lack sympathy for you since you are coming off as self-righteous/hypocritical. I'm not saying you are for certain but it appears that way, given all the information. You expect all people to agree with your personal "off limits" or emotional areas but this simply isn't realistic.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Obviously BBS is ashamed... when have you ever seen BBS respond to sharp criticism with short posts of 1 or 2 sentences? He's so obviously shamed, and unwilling to articulate any of the book-long posts he made at me attacking my defense of the living memory of the Holocaust. How can you not see that?

It's not that obvious. There's a reason for his demeanor but that's just one explanation.

Juan_Bottom wrote:But yet you all think it's great to make Holocaust jokes.... my appeal to humanity was answered by a call for more Holocaust jokes.... meanwhile you all agree by silent consent that the word I used is distasteful.
I'm so disgusted.

I think they are both equally distasteful, as is mocking/trolling someone due to their religious beliefs. I mean, either you like to get your hands dirty or you don't.

Posted: **Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 am**

Funkyterrance wrote:I may be off my guess here but I'm not getting the impression that people lack sympathy for holocaust victims, they just lack sympathy for you since you are coming off as self-righteous/hypocritical. I'm not saying you are for certain but it appears that way, given all the information. You expect all people to agree with your personal "off limits" or emotional areas but this simply isn't realistic.

Ummm no.
It makes no difference where the message comes from. Just because you don't like me as a person does not make it ok to participate in something that I stand against. I'm not asking for any sympathy. Obviously I don't care what you think of me as a person either if I'm willing to fight with Saxi, TGD, and BBS all in one. I'm standing against bullying, not playing martyr. BBS has been trolling me up and down the forums, emboldened by the fact that I cannot respond to him. And he does this, because I called him a coward and foed him for making fun of the Holocaust and calling it "therapeutic" and other things I care not to repeat... he did it in private, where you could not see. That's why his act was cowardly. If you believe he's a good person who wouldn't use the Holocaust as troll material, then you should kindly ask him to repeat his words here, for everyone. That way his honor will be restored and I will be shown to be a liar. If he was not ashamed to be called out, then he would post more than a single line of explanation. He's doing damage control and accessing whether or not you respect him enough to turn against his accuser without him having to say a word. But certainly unlike BBS now, I have always voraciously defended my every position all across these forums. . . I defend my beliefs and my actions, because I'm not ashamed of them. And do you think that I would be so dumb as to create a thread like this if he didn't seriously cross all lines of decency? How many of your other forum friends have made Holocaust jokes that I have left alone? The only thing that I did wrong was underestimate the forum's skepticism of anything BBS will say and their level of compassion.

I didn't come up with these personal "off limits" or "emotional" areas, only repeated them. And you used the word realistic.... do you feel that it's unrealistic to expect BBS to treat the living memory of the Holocaust with the respect that it deserves?

And please, ya'll, don't turn this into "well whatever BBS did - you crossed all lines of decency by attacking Jesus, you hypocrite!" If you're going to turn this into a farce of ad hominems, then don't bother responding.

Funkyterrance wrote:I think they are both equally distasteful, as is mocking/trolling someone due to their religious beliefs. I mean, either you like to get your hands dirty or you don't.

Ok, so you agree with polite society that it's ok to for someone to fund pedophilia if it's somehow a part of their religion? Or to enjoy the sexual servitude of women, so long as their holy book endorses it?
The religiosity is irrelevant to me; it's the dangerousness and stupidity of the idea that I'm against. Just because someone chooses to hide behind the guise of "it's my religion" does not make the belief immune to criticism.
I would not make fun of the Holocaust ever... let alone to someone's face who lived the events in any way. I wouldn't repeat a dumb Catholic priest joke either. I would however, ask a Sharia-Muslim why he allows his women to be stoned to death for silly offenses like "approaching a man unknown to her." And I would call him a stupid ignorant jerk. If you want to protect his right to kill women because it's his religion, then you're f*cking crazy too. & I never threw a bunch of "you're Catholic and evil" crap in tgd's face. I never knew he was a Catholic until all of this.

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