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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:57 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.


Thats a crappy thing to say. :oops:

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby AAFitz on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:14 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Gillipig wrote:Your existence is disrespectful to people who are alive.


Thats a crappy thing to say. :oops:

Not to mention it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


I think your joke-o-meter is also low.

"Crappy"
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Actually I think you used it prematurely. I believe funky was questioning what Gillipig wrote, not my....err...shitty joke.
I think he was backing me up on some level, to be honest.

TGD then assumed that Funky was saying that my crappy line didnt make sense, and then you applauded TGD for slightly misunderstanding what Funky meant.

All parties, mostly funky will have to confirm this, but I think that's the situation, however mundane and pointless it may be.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:27 pm

TGD said what he said because FT was agreeing with a jestful post. Notice the "also".
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby john9blue on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:42 pm

this thread blows now
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:14 am

There is a distinct difference between criticism and being offensive, just like there is a distinct difference from making a joke thread about Holocaust or Nazi themed movie names and being anti-semitic. I am not offended by criticism of the Catholic Church or Catholics. I am offended by what I deem offensive (yes, what I deem offensive) posts regarding Catholics. The way I deal with that, so as not to get into an argument about what is or is not offensive to me, is to not read or not reply to said posts. You are equating my participation in a thread about Holocaust or Nazi themed movie names as being more offensive than your outright anti-Catholicism and bigotry. Seriously?


Riiiiight....
So I criticize Catholics for protecting widespread child-raping, and that makes me a bigot?
I have never once, not a single time ever - made a Catholic joke. I have only criticized your belief system and financial support for child rapists.

Why do I need to explain why mocking Catholicism is insensitive to me? I didn't expect you to explain why making a Holocaust-themed movie thread was offensive or insensitive to you. No one was mocking the Holocaust or Jews in that thread. I'm not insecure in my beliefs, I just find the whole situation so insanely hypocritical. I'm more offended by your hypocrisy than your bigotry.


Because you're not a victim of bigotry, and you want to be... You chose to support an institution that hides child rapists, so you deserve to be criticized for it. It's the choices we make that earn criticism or mocking. But you say that your true belief is that of a corporate handbook; "it doesn't matter why someone finds something offensive. The moment they say 'I'm offended' then everyone needs to stfu."
Informal human interaction doesn't run on the human resources model - if you cannot reasonably explain why it offends you, then you can stfu. For example; Nobody should be barred from making jokes about apples just because you say "oh I'm offended by apple jokes!" The line in the sand is when someone is making fun of something that happened that cannot be changed. When you say "ok Juan, while I think that it's funny that the Holocaust happened, I will stop making jokes so you don't get offended" you are being veritably patronizing. And to follow that with "so can you also stop making fun of my testicle hat that my religion makes me wear?" is laughable and also patronizing. It's also downplaying the significance of genocide. The code of Honor that I am speaking of, sir, is one of humanity, while yours is one of "I don't care till someone speaks up, then I pretend to care."

Comedians don't have Holocaust Joke Sets, and they don't have 9-11 Joke Sets. But they do have Religious Joke Sets... because you can choose what you believe, but you cannot choose the events that happen to you. And again, I've never made a joke about Catholicism ever. Have I previously insulted Catholicism? Probably. And that's not a joke. But do Catholics deserve the same sensitivity as Holocaust victims? God damn it, no.
It's such a funny position to hold in that Catholics even consented to the Holocaust. And it's simple-minded to argue that anyone who insults Catholic indoctrination, child-rape, or Catholic whatever is as guilty as someone who makes fun of the Holocaust. Again I have to comment that it is so weird that in this nation alone among the West we are so desperate to pretend that religion is above criticism or that being part of a religion makes you a victim.

The threads mocking those things were offensive to me. You (and pimpdave) posted in those threads at length in what, to me, was a rather disgusting way which was meant to troll me or bait me. Instead of choosing option (c), which would have been the gentlemenly way to go, you chose option (d).


1) that never happened
2) I did not even know you were a Catholic until this. Nor did I care. I'm not even a Jew, so far as I understand it. It's all irrelevant to me because I'm not going to say something behind your back that I wouldn't say to your face. That's why I keep telling you not to pretend to care about Holocaust victims to my face.

Since JBII is here, I'd like to use him as an example. I believe that he is wholly misled and wrong about Agnosticism. In fact, I pretty much disdain Agnosticism and I have dually criticized him for it. And he's dually criticized me for my Atheism, which I presume he equally despises. But I can separate the belief from the man, and I don't have a single problem with JBII and would probably be good friends with him irl. I do not question his integrity at all, I simply disagree with him about religion. It's not really a big deal... it's not like he's hurting anyone.
That said, I do question the integrity of anyone who donates their time or money to an organization that continues to shelter child molesters from the law. They are hurting people..... people who, like Saxi says are "out of sight, out of mind." Of course the church has in the last two years done a much better job investigating and cooperating with police. HOWEVER, the members of the Catholic church hierarchy who knew about the rapes and shuffled the offending priests to new churches are still being protected. And if your offended by my candor in saying that out loud, then maybe you should leave the church. If you have a problem with child molestation yet continue to financially support it, then yes, I do question your integrity. So should you.

But there is a level of respect that should be accorded a person because of their religious beliefs.

No there isn't at all.
If you want religious "respect" then keep your religion to yourself and out of public. If you choose to tell people about your beliefs then be prepared to be criticized for them. I don't care if we're talking about a religious faith, economics, science, or whatever,... you should be ready to be criticized for them and hopefully able to defend them. You can say whatever you like about what I believe:
    evolution
    humanitarianism
    federalism
    atheism
    democratic socialism

And I will defend all of it.
And if you can't take criticism, then you're insecure and irrelevant. There were men before Darwin who hypothesized about evolution, but only one, Alfred Russel Wallace, was willing to write about it. That's the reason why we respectfully remember Wallace and Darwin but none of those others. Maybe you think laughing at the Holocaust and then faking sensitivity is the way you want to be remembered, but it wont be respectful remembrance.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:28 am

john9blue wrote:this thread blows now

I feel like it was a gradual progression but eh.

Yeah so to be perfectly honest, since this thread blows now anyway, I was responding more to Gilli's post than fitz's in that it didn't make much sense(not to mention crappy in numerous ways). I believe I noticed the "poo" correlation but I was not focused on this aspect(funny bone was temporarily disabled). I'll have to say this all just reminds me how much emoticons are open to interpretation though, if Fitz had chosen a more smug emote it would have been clear as day.(Embarrased?)
Just to be clear AoG, I don't mean to rain on your parade. If these sequence of events make you happy I see no reason to interrupt your glee.

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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:36 am

Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ok, so BBS obviously has no right to tell you how you should deal with your grief, that much is pretty clear.


Just to be clear here: I didn't live through the Holocaust and I have no grief about it. I only have vast amounts of sorrow and sympathy. Two feelings which our other forum members are sadly lacking.


TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
Juan wrote:We do not even use the term 'mentally retarded,' we use the term 'developmentally disabled.'
Moron, Stupid, Idiot, Imbecile, etc were once all terms used to describe varying degrees of developmental disabilities. Do 'tons of mentally retarded people' have a problem with those words? Nope. What you actually said was accidentally insulting when you called them 'Mentally Retarded.' It's the same as calling a little person a 'midget.' I'm sure that they're ok with the word "midget," just don't call them one. Anyway, get your sh*t together man, you're supposed to be one of the good guys!


Mentally retarded is the term you'll find on medical sheets. Trust me. The DD term is the nice pc version we use for program details and intra-company talk to avoid the stigma of 'retarded.'

I guarantee you that if you use the term 'retarded' around DD individuals, there are a very large percentage that are going to have a behavior. Just trust me on that.

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I wasn't going to talk about this, but I've changed my mind. One time, back in the day when Paul Ryan was still a VP nominee, John9Blue said that people were naturally selfish pricks who wanted to make the world better for themselves, not make the world better for everyone else. I didn't comment, but it disturbed me that anyone thought like this... I've never forgotten it. And I've always believe that people are generally good, loving, and compassionate. I know that I've always wanted to make the world a better place. But now...
I've read the responses to this thread, and I have little choice but to agree with what JBII said... people are selfish pricks. I'm surrounded by selfish assholes.
Obviously BBS is ashamed... when have you ever seen BBS respond to sharp criticism with short posts of 1 or 2 sentences? He's so obviously shamed, and unwilling to articulate any of the book-long posts he made at me attacking my defense of the living memory of the Holocaust. How can you not see that?
This thread has been an appeal to humanity, and in my opinion it's been a dismal failure... the humanity is desperately lacking here.

Take a look at the posts above, I may have been utterly wrong to argue that that word is acceptable. I'm not so sure, either way now... TA1LGUNN3R would almost certainly know more than I would. I was willing to defend my use of it, and I did a good job too I think... but that means nothing in the face of TA1LGUNN3R's authority.
So later, when Saxi attempted to capitalize on my blunder, and snipe at me for saying that, NONE OF YOU cared to defend it ever.... but yet you all think it's great to make Holocaust jokes.... my appeal to humanity was answered by a call for more Holocaust jokes.... meanwhile you all agree by silent consent that the word I used is distasteful.
I'm so disgusted.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:44 am

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this being our grandparent's generation... eah, totally appropriate jokes!
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:10 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ok, so BBS obviously has no right to tell you how you should deal with your grief, that much is pretty clear.


Just to be clear here: I didn't live through the Holocaust and I have no grief about it. I only have vast amounts of sorrow and sympathy. Two feelings which our other forum members are sadly lacking.

I may be off my guess here but I'm not getting the impression that people lack sympathy for holocaust victims, they just lack sympathy for you since you are coming off as self-righteous/hypocritical. I'm not saying you are for certain but it appears that way, given all the information. You expect all people to agree with your personal "off limits" or emotional areas but this simply isn't realistic.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Obviously BBS is ashamed... when have you ever seen BBS respond to sharp criticism with short posts of 1 or 2 sentences? He's so obviously shamed, and unwilling to articulate any of the book-long posts he made at me attacking my defense of the living memory of the Holocaust. How can you not see that?

It's not that obvious. There's a reason for his demeanor but that's just one explanation.

Juan_Bottom wrote:But yet you all think it's great to make Holocaust jokes.... my appeal to humanity was answered by a call for more Holocaust jokes.... meanwhile you all agree by silent consent that the word I used is distasteful.
I'm so disgusted.

I think they are both equally distasteful, as is mocking/trolling someone due to their religious beliefs. I mean, either you like to get your hands dirty or you don't.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby Juan_Bottom on Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 am

Funkyterrance wrote:I may be off my guess here but I'm not getting the impression that people lack sympathy for holocaust victims, they just lack sympathy for you since you are coming off as self-righteous/hypocritical. I'm not saying you are for certain but it appears that way, given all the information. You expect all people to agree with your personal "off limits" or emotional areas but this simply isn't realistic.

Ummm no.
It makes no difference where the message comes from. Just because you don't like me as a person does not make it ok to participate in something that I stand against. I'm not asking for any sympathy. Obviously I don't care what you think of me as a person either if I'm willing to fight with Saxi, TGD, and BBS all in one. I'm standing against bullying, not playing martyr. BBS has been trolling me up and down the forums, emboldened by the fact that I cannot respond to him. And he does this, because I called him a coward and foed him for making fun of the Holocaust and calling it "therapeutic" and other things I care not to repeat... he did it in private, where you could not see. That's why his act was cowardly. If you believe he's a good person who wouldn't use the Holocaust as troll material, then you should kindly ask him to repeat his words here, for everyone. That way his honor will be restored and I will be shown to be a liar. If he was not ashamed to be called out, then he would post more than a single line of explanation. He's doing damage control and accessing whether or not you respect him enough to turn against his accuser without him having to say a word. But certainly unlike BBS now, I have always voraciously defended my every position all across these forums. . . I defend my beliefs and my actions, because I'm not ashamed of them. And do you think that I would be so dumb as to create a thread like this if he didn't seriously cross all lines of decency? How many of your other forum friends have made Holocaust jokes that I have left alone? The only thing that I did wrong was underestimate the forum's skepticism of anything BBS will say and their level of compassion.

I didn't come up with these personal "off limits" or "emotional" areas, only repeated them. And you used the word realistic.... do you feel that it's unrealistic to expect BBS to treat the living memory of the Holocaust with the respect that it deserves?

And please, ya'll, don't turn this into "well whatever BBS did - you crossed all lines of decency by attacking Jesus, you hypocrite!" If you're going to turn this into a farce of ad hominems, then don't bother responding.

Funkyterrance wrote:I think they are both equally distasteful, as is mocking/trolling someone due to their religious beliefs. I mean, either you like to get your hands dirty or you don't.

Ok, so you agree with polite society that it's ok to for someone to fund pedophilia if it's somehow a part of their religion? Or to enjoy the sexual servitude of women, so long as their holy book endorses it?
The religiosity is irrelevant to me; it's the dangerousness and stupidity of the idea that I'm against. Just because someone chooses to hide behind the guise of "it's my religion" does not make the belief immune to criticism.
I would not make fun of the Holocaust ever... let alone to someone's face who lived the events in any way. I wouldn't repeat a dumb Catholic priest joke either. I would however, ask a Sharia-Muslim why he allows his women to be stoned to death for silly offenses like "approaching a man unknown to her." And I would call him a stupid ignorant jerk. If you want to protect his right to kill women because it's his religion, then you're f*cking crazy too. & I never threw a bunch of "you're Catholic and evil" crap in tgd's face. I never knew he was a Catholic until all of this.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby chang50 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:05 am

aage wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
aage wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:Willing Participation

I'll just leave this here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wave_(novel)


Fiction? *sigh...

[Insert belief here]

[Provide evidence by writing/linking to a fictional account]

Hey, aage, are you a creationist?

Lit is not necessarily true, but it contains human truth which is truth enough for an internet discussion. I mean, you're copying text and replacing two words, for heaven's sake.

Not a creationist but the idea isn't bad. Also, Mein Kampf is fiction. How did that turn out?


Mein Kampf fiction?????Who gave you that idea?????
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:40 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:So I criticize Catholics for protecting widespread child-raping, and that makes me a bigot?


No. I know you know how to read.

Juan_Bottom wrote:I have never once, not a single time ever - made a Catholic joke. I have only criticized your belief system and financial support for child rapists.


Oh wait, maybe you don't know how to read.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Because you're not a victim of bigotry, and you want to be...


Dude, seriously. LEARN... TO... READ... I don't want to be a victim of bigotry. I'm pointing out your shit guzzling hypocrisy; that's my interest here. To get it through your brain that being offended by something is subjective, not objective and when you offend someone else during and immediately after going on a tirade about being offended yourself, you're a shit guzzling hypocrit.

Juan_Bottom wrote:When you say "ok Juan, while I think that it's funny that the Holocaust happened, I will stop making jokes so you don't get offended" you are being veritably patronizing.


ITT making jokes referencing the Holocaust = it's funny that the Holocaust happened.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Have I previously insulted Catholicism? Probably. And that's not a joke. But do Catholics deserve the same sensitivity as Holocaust victims? God damn it, no.


I don't disagree with that. But, yet again, you're equating A FUCKING THREAD WITH MOVIE TITLES REFERENCING NAZIS AND THE HOLOCAUST (which is meant to be funny) with FUCKING THREADS MAKING DISPARAGING REMARKS ABOUT CATHOLICS (not criticism... flames... and not the Catholic Church... Catholics). We're not talking about insulting Holocaust survivors. No one made disparaging remarks.

Juan_Bottom wrote:That's why I keep telling you not to pretend to care about Holocaust victims to my face.


How can you make this judgment when you don't know me at all? There has never been anything I posted that would make someone say "TGD doesn't care about the Holocaust or Holocaust victims" except that I made one quote in that movie thread.

And you want to know the single, biggest, most important telling thing in all this? Not one person in the McGill usergroup is in here taking your side in this thing. Not a single goddamn person.

Juan_Bottom wrote:Of course the church has in the last two years done a much better job investigating and cooperating with police.


Ah, pause for a brief interlude - I disagree. The church (at least here in the US) has not done a much better job. Maybe marginally better in some certain cases, but there has been some activity in Philadelphia that does not make me happy.

Juan_Bottom wrote:And if you can't take criticism, then you're insecure and irrelevant.


Criticism (def.) - the act or an instance of making an unfavorable judgment
Bigotry (def.) - obtuse or narrowminded intolerance, especially of other races or religions

I can take criticism. I can take bigoted comments. What I cannot take is a hypocrit, who while criticizing a joke thread about movies regarding Nazis and the Holocaust, is posting denigrating and bigoted comments about Catholics and thinking that classifies him as a critic and intelligent thinker. At best you're trying to save face. At second best you're a troll (inb4 Symmetry - "Ah, typical greekdog"). And at worst you're a complete fucking asshole.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:52 am

Two more things for you to think about:

(1) You are very concerned with the tone of this thread and the relative support (or lack thereof) you're receiving. Instead of shaking your head and sighing "ah, people are just disgusting," maybe you should reconsider your stance. I don't think you should, since being offended is subjective, but the lack of support might be telling you something.

(2) You keep referring to calls about keeping that movie thread open. I was one of those who stopped posting and counselled others to stop posting. If you hadn't been a raging, shit-eating hypocrit, you would have had my support in this thread. Instead, you were a raging, shit-eating hypocrit, and you're getting all the criticism I can muster in this thread. Note that I used the word "criticism" correctly.
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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:37 am

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comic boy wrote:I lived in Israel for a year and never once heard an Israeli tell a Holocaust joke . Plenty of self effacing Jewish and Kosher jokes but nothing about the Holocaust , nothing at all.


Yeah, BBS' argument had boiled down to "but daaaaad, everybody else is doing it, so why can't I?"

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Juan_Bottom wrote:slaughtered by the Germans


... who stayed loyal because they were getting things.


This is absolutely not the case. The German people fought much longer than their hope held out, long after their possessions were bombed away and their sons were killed in the field of honor. In Budapest, Stalingrad, and other battlefields the German soldiers fought to the death, and it wasn't so they could get a new Volvo if they lived. And any historian/living soldier will tell you that the German soldiers on both fronts knew that the war was hopeless by 1944. Yet they continued to fight until 1945, after Hitler's suicide. . . that might be a clue? The courage of the German soldier, and of the German people, were never tied to material possessions. It's ignorant to argue such.

saxitoxin wrote:
Four sisters of the Ali Mohammed Nasser family in Yemen were killed. Afrah was 9 years old when she and her three younger sisters Zayda (7 years old) , Hoda (5 years old) and Sheika (4 years old) were struck by an American drone. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-childr ... ma/5320570


... who stayed loyal because they were getting things.

As you know, Juan, people you can't see don't actually exist. What goes around never, ever, ever comes around. It's all about how much stuff you can grab right now and shove into your goody bag. Chilax and let the good times roll! There's definitely not a noose tightening. The castle walls are not crumbling. Nope, not at all. You'll never be communally indicted as a Fellow Traveler. The good times will never end! Never, by jove!


And this makes no sense and appears to be the ramblings of senility. However, assuming that it's another post about how Juan Bottom is responsible for the War on Terror, then I agree with the principles that American Drones striking innocent civilians is abhorrible and should never happen. Saxi has it occured to you that you're not inditing me here but every American on this forum including tgd, Neoteny, and yourself?
Well, I do not agree with your fictitious internet character that the issue is a black and white one. I do not agree with your internet character that I am somehow responsible for the war. I've done nothing more than you have, by which I mean living here/being born here. If you actually have figured out who I am, as you alluded, then you know that I've written about this detestable issue in the past for publication.


Juan's howls of indignation are funny.

    -Juan is mad his family got "slaughtered" by "the Germans" ... he felt "the Germans" should have raised a voice to Hitler. (But they were offered the world's first workman's comp program, and didn't want to risk it. So they just quietly shook their heads, said 'that's too bad' and then thronged to party mass rallies to support the Führer.)

    -Juan is not so mad other people's families are getting "slaughtered" by "the Americans" ... he is meekly supple before the majesty of Obama. (Juan, too, was offered treats and goodies and didn't want to risk them. So he occasionally offers a sympathetic word on an anonymous message board before spending 10 times as many words defending the regime, or rallying to the voting booth in a coat festooned with buttons and badges displaying the Iron O logo.)
Juan's moral hypocrisy is more hilarious by the day. He's in it for #1. You're not a victim, Juan, despite your desperation to be one. You're not part of the intellectual aristocracy, though you've convinced yourself you are. You're one of the plump, unwashed masses whose ethics ebbs and sways depending on the volume of carrots or severity of the stick.

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Re: BBS explains why the Holocaust is funny

Postby saxitoxin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:48 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:TA1LGUNN3R can argue from a position of authority on the matter. I do not agree with him


It doesn't take special knowledge to know that alphabet words like the N-Word or R-Word are offensive hate speech, nor does it require your agreement.

Hopefully one day you will make the choice to join those of us in civilization and stop using words like n***er, ch**k, f*g or re**rd. Since it's been widely communicated this isn't acceptable behavior in the 21st century your feigned surprise to hear that n***er or re**rd are offensive is doubly knuckle-dragging.



Further - using the Holocaust to score a gotcha in some imagined internet message board rivalry - and your crocodile teared cartwheels of outrage - is more offensive than the most offensive joke.

Threads like this make me wonder if it was a very good idea to bring the internet to Appalachia.
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