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I'm a feminist because women still get paid less than men for the same work.

i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

john9blue wrote:i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

Trust me john, you're not at all a feminist. Like, not in the slightest.

john9blue wrote:i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

hahaha, perfect.

Iliad wrote:

john9blue wrote:i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

Trust me john, you're not at all a feminist. Like, not in the slightest.

oh, i see. thanks dude, i can always count on you to know my views better than i know them myself. just like everyone else in the world with a childish "us vs. them" mentality.

I missed Iliad.

john9blue wrote:i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

Not to mention the paradoxical ramifications of equal rights between two groups having uniquely different physiologies.

john9blue wrote:

Iliad wrote:

john9blue wrote:i'm a quantum feminist. i may or may not be a feminist depending on the type of feminism being discussed and (more importantly) the gender of the person i'm discussing it with.

Trust me john, you're not at all a feminist. Like, not in the slightest.

oh, i see. thanks dude, i can always count on you to know my views better than i know them myself. just like everyone else in the world with a childish "us vs. them" mentality.

If you call yourself a feminist, you're only fooling yourself. Considering youse stance on transexuwlity in that thread about the basketballer and your 1960s-esque views on how female soldiers will reduce the "effectiveness" of units and distract them, well I can hardly see how you can call yourself a feminist. Being a neutral and objective libertarian you probably discount the idea of the patriarchy. Even if you don't none of your posts have displayed any feminist leanings.


And love you too Greek.

Iliad wrote:If you call yourself a feminist, you're only fooling yourself. Considering youse stance on transexuwlity in that thread about the basketballer and your 1960s-esque views on how female soldiers will reduce the "effectiveness" of units and distract them, well I can hardly see how you can call yourself a feminist. Being a neutral and objective libertarian you probably discount the idea of the patriarchy. Even if you don't none of your posts have displayed any feminist leanings.


And love you too Greek.

you mean the thread where i claimed it would be unfair for a former male who still has a partially male physique to play in a women's basketball league?

i'd say the same thing about a FtM playing in a men's league (where they could have, for example, a flexibility advantage due to having a partially female physique)

how exactly does that violate gender equality?

also, i had no idea that our species had evolved so much since 1960! your ideas are revolutionary and i want to subscribe to your newsletter, because i am out of toilet paper.

john9blue wrote:

Iliad wrote:If you call yourself a feminist, you're only fooling yourself. Considering youse stance on transexuwlity in that thread about the basketballer and your 1960s-esque views on how female soldiers will reduce the "effectiveness" of units and distract them, well I can hardly see how you can call yourself a feminist. Being a neutral and objective libertarian you probably discount the idea of the patriarchy. Even if you don't none of your posts have displayed any feminist leanings.


And love you too Greek.

you mean the thread where i claimed it would be unfair for a former male who still has a partially male physique to play in a women's basketball league?

i'd say the same thing about a FtM playing in a men's league (where they could have, for example, a flexibility advantage due to having a partially female physique)

how exactly does that violate gender equality?

also, i had no idea that our species had evolved so much since 1960! your ideas are revolutionary and i want to subscribe to your newsletter, because i am out of toilet paper.

Do you ever tire of being smugly sarcastic?

And no, the fact that she had slightly more testorone according to you, even though the change had been ages ago, does not mean she should be excluded from games. Throughout the thread you displayed a childish approach to transexuality and equality for transexuals is fairly significant for feminism.

And our species haven't evolved in the slightest, but the social consensus has developed that yes women can work in the same workplace as men. A bandwagon you have decidedly not hopped onto in all your bravery. Not really sure how you can still try and call yourself a feminist despite all your childish views on these issues.

john9blue wrote:i can't control my heartbeat! i'm a slave to my own body!

I dont want to nitpick (read: I want to nitpick), but, technically you can, with reasonable ease too.

It can be lowered short term via holding your breath/very deep breathing; it can be lowered long term by increasing your fitness levels.

It can be raised even easier; just run up some stairs.

To be fair to John, I argued along side of him that our military shouldn't allow women to join combat units. Our arguments were:

Other country's have integrated combat units and these have failed combat stress tests (Israel)
Massive costs in created new training programs, camp facilities, ECT.
Actually physical differences between the sexes increasing costs/stress/failure
Lowered effectiveness standards in nations with integrated combat units
Other than for fairness, there's no need to, giving us massive cost increases without enough return

However, I think that with the exception of the first point, there's not much of an argument there. Mostly I just argued for the sake of having an opposing view in the thread.

Iliad wrote:Do you ever tire of being smugly sarcastic?

And no, the fact that she had slightly more testorone according to you, even though the change had been ages ago, does not mean she should be excluded from games. Throughout the thread you displayed a childish approach to transexuality and equality for transexuals is fairly significant for feminism.

And our species haven't evolved in the slightest, but the social consensus has developed that yes women can work in the same workplace as men. A bandwagon you have decidedly not hopped onto in all your bravery. Not really sure how you can still try and call yourself a feminist despite all your childish views on these issues.

"childish" my ass. all i said was that it was unfair to others to have to play against her. of course, you don't care about any of the other players in that league because they didn't have heartwarming articles written about them.

maybe you'd have a point if i was against her inclusion because "eww transsexuals are gross". but all i see is me making a decent point about where the line must be drawn for fairness, and you saying "aww, that poor woman, why don't we let her play, she's been through so much" without even thinking about the consequences. it's a shameless emotional appeal.

aso, do you understand the difference between "women can't do what men do" and "women, on average, are worse than men at something"? i don't think you do.

Topic Change:

http://thewalrus.ca/boys/

Last year, celebrated music journalist Maura Johnston came up with four suggestions for those struggling to not write misogynistically: do not assign descriptive words based on a subject’s gender, do not “make shit up about an artist in order to sexualize her,” do not exclusively compare female artists to other female artists, and do not mistake a subject’s politeness for flirtation, then write about it extensively.

I'm a feminist, cause I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

DoomYoshi wrote:Topic Change:

http://thewalrus.ca/boys/

Last year, celebrated music journalist Maura Johnston came up with four suggestions for those struggling to not write misogynistically: do not assign descriptive words based on a subject’s gender, do not “make shit up about an artist in order to sexualize her,” do not exclusively compare female artists to other female artists, and do not mistake a subject’s politeness for flirtation, then write about it extensively.

Like AMANDA PALMER!

I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

Gillipig wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

toilet-head.

Gillipig wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

That just assures them that you are a total male chauvinist.
[ramble]
Honestly, I think feminism has gone too far and is now hurting its own cause. I agree women should have equal rights and be able to vote. I agree that they should have an equal chance at being hired. But I have seen feminist women verbally attack other women who didn't work but stayed home and raised kids. These outspoken ones may be a minority, but from any feminist I have met it seems to be a constant. Those that I have met also tend to hate men or hold them in a negative light. This creates a poor image for those of us who aren't "in" with them and makes us lean away from them.

The thing that bothers me the most is that there are a lot of passive men and women out there and they both get made fun of by their own gender. [/ramble]

kentington wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

That just assures them that you are a total male chauvinist.
[ramble]
Honestly, I think feminism has gone too far and is now hurting its own cause. I agree women should have equal rights and be able to vote. I agree that they should have an equal chance at being hired. But I have seen feminist women verbally attack other women who didn't work but stayed home and raised kids. These outspoken ones may be a minority, but from any feminist I have met it seems to be a constant. Those that I have met also tend to hate men or hold them in a negative light. This creates a poor image for those of us who aren't "in" with them and makes us lean away from them.
[/ramble]

Yeah, pretty much sums up feminism.

Yeesh.

kentington wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

That just assures them that you are a total male chauvinist.
[ramble]
Honestly, I think feminism has gone too far and is now hurting its own cause. I agree women should have equal rights and be able to vote. I agree that they should have an equal chance at being hired. But I have seen feminist women verbally attack other women who didn't work but stayed home and raised kids. These outspoken ones may be a minority, but from any feminist I have met it seems to be a constant. Those that I have met also tend to hate men or hold them in a negative light. This creates a poor image for those of us who aren't "in" with them and makes us lean away from them.

The thing that bothers me the most is that there are a lot of passive men and women out there and they both get made fun of by their own gender. [/ramble]

How is that? I am saying men are less worth than women, how can I be a male chauvinst while saying that?

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

Gillipig wrote:I consider men to be less worth than women but also more competent than women. Where does that put me? Male chauvinst or feminist?

arsehole.

I was thinking more like "Realist".

toilet-head.

You're a Poo Poo head!!