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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:17 am

b.k. barunt wrote:Maybe i'm missing something, but i'd have to say that those who believe in conspiricies are those who refuse to accept the various myths that comprise our (or anyone's) nationalistic culture.


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Sure, it's valuable not to blindly accept the government's story.
However blindly rejecting it cause "government's are evil" is just as bad and stinks of those goth kids who are all so "special" that they have to dress and act all the same to establish how much of a freethinker they are.

You have to judge them independently and most conspiracy theories are fuckin insane. Vaccines causing autism? Chemtrails ? C'mon.

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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby _sabotage_ on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:00 am

The original graph shows that 56% of people think Bush didn't know about the attacks, but the NYTimes shows he had six warnings, and the reason he ignored them is because the neocons told him not to take his attention away from Saddam. So who is the conspiracy theorist?

The neocons wanted war with in Iraq, they chose to ignore the warnings, and then the events made them able to go to war in Iraq. Hmmm.

I just wonder how much the aided the terrorist to make sure it was a big event.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:09 am

_sabotage_ wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0

This is the official reason Bush ignored the 6 warnings of an imminent attack.

But some in the administration considered the warning to be just bluster. An intelligence official and a member of the Bush administration both told me in interviews that the neoconservative leaders who had recently assumed power at the Pentagon were warning the White House that the C.I.A. had been fooled; according to this theory, Bin Laden was merely pretending to be planning an attack to distract the administration from Saddam Hussein, whom the neoconservatives saw as a greater threat. Intelligence officials, these sources said, protested that the idea of Bin Laden, an Islamic fundamentalist, conspiring with Mr. Hussein, an Iraqi secularist, was ridiculous, but the neoconservatives’ suspicions were nevertheless carrying the day.


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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:13 am

_sabotage_ wrote:The original graph shows that 56% of people think Bush didn't know about the attacks, but the NYTimes shows he had six warnings, and the reason he ignored them is because the neocons told him not to take his attention away from Saddam. So who is the conspiracy theorist?

The neocons wanted war with in Iraq, they chose to ignore the warnings, and then the events made them able to go to war in Iraq. Hmmm.

I just wonder how much the aided the terrorist to make sure it was a big event.


How about War and Decision: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War on Terrorism?
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:14 am

nietzsche wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
nietzsche wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
nietzsche wrote:You are all missing the point.

The key here is why people like conspiracy theories, what do they remind them.

Have you read the Hero with a thousand faces?


I recall seeing that book in the movie Big Fish. That's the extent of my knowledge about it. :P


Are you saying that conspiracy theorists (CTs) view themselves as the hero who will bring back the booty to others?

What role do CTs play in Campbell's monomyth?


I'm saying that all of us have a innate tendency to believe in a myth. It's a story in the back of our minds all the time. I believe (I have no proof or scholar article) that it's somehow the origin of the tendecy we all have to believe in conspiracy theories.


There's not much mythic with conspiracy theories. It begins with, "No, X didn't happen; Y did."

(to be clear, there's a difference between Campbell's use of "myth"--as in, "epic quest," and your use of "myth"--i.e. "urban legend").


Nope, I meant it in the epic quest way.

I'm going to leave it there though, you are not ready ;)


You really think that CTs view themselves as heroes?
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby _sabotage_ on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:20 am

No, I'm not interested in propaganda literature, thanks though.
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:22 am

nietzsche wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:I have to agree. Anyone who accepts the pap that is dished out to the masses is a fool of the most common stripe. Even the most bizarre conspiracy theories make more sense than the traditional tripe that most citizen types embrace as gospel.


Honibaz


Sadly, the idea that believers in conspiracy theories are nuts is the best ally of the perpetrators.

Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Sure, it's valuable not to blindly accept the government's story.
However blindly rejecting it cause "government's are evil" is just as bad and stinks of those goth kids who are all so "special" that they have to dress and act all the same to establish how much of a freethinker they are.

You have to judge them independently and most conspiracy theories are fuckin insane. Vaccines causing autism? Chemtrails ? C'mon.

Btw. Welcome back bk


I wonder if some of the wider spread ridiculous theories are put out intentionally to distract some people who are on to something, and convince others that to question something like vaccine is just silly.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby warmonger1981 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:25 am

Might as well read the 9/11 commission report as total truth.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:36 am

_sabotage_ wrote:No, I'm not interested in propaganda literature, thanks though.


I see you have led yourself to an informed, unbiased approach.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby _sabotage_ on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:38 am

As I am sure you have as well.

Have you read the laws of physics? They might help you to understand that an object cannot fall at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance, and yet they were broken three times in New York that day.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:44 am

_sabotage_ wrote:As I am sure you have as well.

Have you read the laws of physics? They might help you to understand that an object cannot fall at free fall speed through the path of greatest resistance, and yet they were broken three times in New York that day.


I've read the Looming Tower and will be getting into the second one sometime soon.

So, about that unbiased and totally objective approach of yours. Do you feel that your conclusions are true--considering that you seem to be completely neglecting the literature from individuals who have worked within the government?
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby _sabotage_ on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:51 am

Yes, I feel that the laws of physics can't be broken by propaganda. That WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 could not have fallen they way they did based on what we have been told. It is physically impossible. That a plane measuring double the size of the hole it creates is impossible. These are called facts, and you can write as much as you like, but facts are hard to spin.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:11 pm

nietzsche wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote:I have to agree. Anyone who accepts the pap that is dished out to the masses is a fool of the most common stripe. Even the most bizarre conspiracy theories make more sense than the traditional tripe that most citizen types embrace as gospel.


Honibaz


Sadly, the idea that believers in conspiracy theories are nuts is the best ally of the perpetrators.





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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby oVo on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:33 pm

2/3 of Americans don't participate in polls.
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Re: 2/3 of Americans Believe in Conspiracy Theories

Postby warmonger1981 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:59 pm

How about the illuminati card game made in 1982 and revised in 1991. It shows the twin towers exploding by a terrorist attack. Did the makers of the game know what the future holds as most of the cards are strategies being used? How about that for conspiracy. I'm not saying I believe in that crap but it is kind of creepy.
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