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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:42 am

CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.
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Postby 2dimes on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:43 am

thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.

I'd like to reword that but basically agree.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:48 pm

bedub1 wrote:How many groups support child molesters? I'll start making the list:

NAMBLA
Catholic Church
Boyscouts

Given how much the Catholic Church and the boyscouts hate gays, and how much they claim to hate child molesters, it's funny to see them defending them and protecting them. It's okay to be a gay child molester as long as you are also a priest or scout leader.

Uh, this requires a LOT of explanation.

Why do you seem to think child molesters and homosexuals are the same?

Also, while both groups have been accused of harboring child molesters, I believe that the Boy Scout incidents are fairly isolated and limited to specific areas where, well, jerks were in charge. (I could use harsher words, but am keeping this short and "polite"). The Roman Catholic issues are more a matter of a pervasive culture of lack of understanding about the significance and harm perpetrated by molesters.

I believe the issues with homosexuality in BOTH cases is solely about intolerance, not "harboring"... as if just being gay were something harmful anyway.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby greenoaks on Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:59 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.

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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:12 am

I can't support the Boy Scouts, they discriminate against Homosexuals and Atheists. I'd like to see them lose their preferred and tax-exempted status until and unless they stop discriminating against minorities. We wouldn't let the KKK rent a high school room for $1 a month, would we?
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby jonesthecurl on Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:21 am

thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.


The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby greenoaks on Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:00 am

jonesthecurl wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.


The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.

weren't the molesters straight ?
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:59 am

greenoaks wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.


The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.

weren't the molesters straight ?

Maybe, maybe not. But not all peados who like little boys, like men. Some are very happily married.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:21 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:I can't support the Boy Scouts, they discriminate against Homosexuals and Atheists. I'd like to see them lose their preferred and tax-exempted status until and unless they stop discriminating against minorities. We wouldn't let the KKK rent a high school room for $1 a month, would we?

In many areas they no longer do.

The semi irony is that in abiility to meet in schools and such is one reason churches have opened their doors again.

I am somewhat torn on this one. That is, as a private organization, scouts has the right to make its own decisions -- whether they agree with my personal beliefs or not. On the other hand, I do think the boy scouts (the girl scouts, I believe, have a different position) are bigoted.

The problem is that if the scouts puts forward a position of openly accepting gays, for example, then they will truly be going against what a lot of people believe and want for their kids and it may well mean the end of scouting, at a time when there just are not a lot of alternative organizations. I think the change needs to come, but if it happens before groups are ready, it will basically kill scouting. I would like to see more discussion and debate, more teaching, etc. This is very different from the marriage debate, because scouting is about raising and teaching boys. It very much does involve having other people accept values they dislike. For my part, I see no more problem than in accepting, say, Buddhists or Hindus. ... and certainly think they ought to accept atheists, except that it unfortunately became something of an "easy out" for some requirements. That is, there is a big difference between someone actively and truly choosing atheism and someone just being too lazy to go talk to their local priest and do the church requirements for a particular badge.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:36 pm

The girl scouts accept everyone, no questions asked. They even accept boys. Quite honorable I think, ladys. Women lead the way.

The boy scouts never discriminated either, until the organization was bought by the Mormon Church.

I agree with you that as a private organization they should be allowed to do whatever they like. But so long as they are a bigoted organization, they should pay full taxes and not be allowed to use government property without paying for it.

But, individual dens aren't run by the local Mormon Church as yet; they're run by their den leaders. So there are some den's that openly welcome gays and atheists. That's the one redeeming part of this story; individual's love.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby jonesthecurl on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:27 am

In the UK girls can join the boy scouts. Quite a few do.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby b.k. barunt on Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:32 am

jonesthecurl wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.


The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.


How about NAMBLA reps marching in the Gay Parade in New York with a big NAMBLA banner? Unfair to associate gays and pedophiles? What am i missing here?


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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:34 am

b.k. barunt wrote:
jonesthecurl wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I believe it to be unfair to associate gays and pedophiles. They are not the same.


I was coming in here to post much the same thing. Maybe bedub can explain why he thinks that gays and pedophiles are similar.


The suggestion is (please tell me if I'm wrong) that the molestation was of same-sex minors. Thus, both gay and paedophilic.


How about NAMBLA reps marching in the Gay Parade in New York with a big NAMBLA banner? Unfair to associate gays and pedophiles? What am i missing here?


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Hehe, this b.k seems to be a mover and a shaker eh?

I don't think there is necessarily an association between pedophiles and gays but the NAMBLA folks marching in the Gay Parade does make one question the Gay Parade group as a whole. If I were marching in any kind of parade and some people from NAMBLA jumped in there might be trouble.
At any rate, my question is whether little boys are molested more often than girls by adult men or is it equal? If it's little boys by men then there could potentially(but not necessarily) be an association.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby daddy1gringo on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:49 am

2 obvious things that are being ignored;
the acronym NAMBLA stands for north american MAN-BOY love association, so by their own admission it is both pedophilic and homosexual.

We can add the group that organizes the gay pride parade and allowed nambla in to our list of groups that support child molesters.

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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:54 am

daddy1gringo wrote:2 obvious things that are being ignored;
the acronym NAMBLA stands for north american MAN-BOY love association, so by their own admission it is both pedophilic and homosexual.


Interesting point as it begs the question: "Why isn't there a man-girl love association?".
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby greenoaks on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:05 am

Funkyterrance wrote:
daddy1gringo wrote:2 obvious things that are being ignored;
the acronym NAMBLA stands for north american MAN-BOY love association, so by their own admission it is both pedophilic and homosexual.


Interesting point as it begs the question: "Why isn't there a man-girl love association?".

don't their members regularly feature on Dateline
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Postby 2dimes on Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:55 am

For some reason most fathers of daughters are seriously over protective. I don't know if these guys pulled a lot of tail and feel guilty or what but it's out there.

I think if a child predator victimizes a boy there is less swift and violent opposition to the act. There is a slight possibility of it being denied by the parent out of shame also.

So partly daughters are much better protected than sons.

I'm reasonably sure if any guy ever showed up with a "girl love association" sign there would be action taken beyond pictures.
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Postby Funkyterrance on Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:01 pm

2dimes wrote:For some reason most fathers of daughters are seriously over protective. I don't know if these guys pulled a lot of tail and feel guilty or what but it's out there.

I think if a child predator victimizes a boy there is less swift and violent opposition to the act. There is a slight possibility of it being denied by the parent out of shame also.

So partly daughters are much better protected than sons.

I'm reasonably sure if any guy ever showed up with a "girl love association" sign there would be action taken beyond pictures.

Interesting point 2dimes. Maybe they are not only guilty but are terrified that some guy is going to do to their daughter what they did to the daughter of someone else back in the day.
As far as less swift and violent opposition to man/boy acts, that would be pretty sad if true.
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Re: Groups that support child molesters

Postby b.k. barunt on Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:39 am

If i caught some hapless horny guy even thinking about doing to my daughter what i did to toothsome young wenches in my bygone days i would initiate him into the ranks of the eunuchs.


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Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:40 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:If i caught some hapless horny guy even thinking about doing to my daughter what i did to toothsome young wenches in my bygone days i would initiate him into the ranks of the eunuchs.


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Postby kentington on Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:46 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:If i caught some hapless horny guy even thinking about doing to my daughter what i did to toothsome young wenches in my bygone days i would initiate him into the ranks of the eunuchs.


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Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:48 pm

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bedub1 wrote:How many groups support child molesters? I'll start making the list:

NAMBLA
Catholic Church
Boyscouts

Given how much the Catholic Church and the boyscouts hate gays, and how much they claim to hate child molesters, it's funny to see them defending them and protecting them. It's okay to be a gay child molester as long as you are also a priest or scout leader.

Uh, this requires a LOT of explanation.

Why do you seem to think child molesters and homosexuals are the same?

Also, while both groups have been accused of harboring child molesters, I believe that the Boy Scout incidents are fairly isolated and limited to specific areas where, well, jerks were in charge. (I could use harsher words, but am keeping this short and "polite"). The Roman Catholic issues are more a matter of a pervasive culture of lack of understanding about the significance and harm perpetrated by molesters.

I believe the issues with homosexuality in BOTH cases is solely about intolerance, not "harboring"... as if just being gay were something harmful anyway.

I don't. Which is why I specified they were gay child molesters.

I forgot to include the 4th group, Penn State.

I don't have a problem with homosexuals, I have a problem with child molesters. I don't give a shit if they are straight or homosexual. They sexuality isn't the problem, their child molester behavior is.

Each of these is a different situation, and none of these organizations harbored molesters in the way you imply --pervasive and permissively. SOME, not all of the leadership in each of these cases made very grave errors. The members have not stood up to protect those leaders, but were not necessarily in positions to either know or do anything about either the abuse when it happened or the protective measures taken for the abusers until later.

To blame all members, all associated for this is the crime. It is not a crime or immoral or wrong to continuesupport for organizations that fundamentally don't support abuse, but have been victimized themselves by abusers and leaders who acted inappropriately.

Basically, you are blaming these organizations run by human beings for not being perfect. Sorry, but no organization run by humans will be perfect.
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